lancerman Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 The issue is most teams go into the season trying to win and by the time there is no point in trying for more than five teams in a conference too many games occurred to effectively tank. Also because it so conceivable to go winless, very few teams want that stigma and will fight like hell to avoid it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lone star Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, PatriotsWin! said: There's no doubt teams tanks, see the Colts "Suck for Luck" campaign. See Giants ownership last year with the Manning benching. I'd love to put a stop to those shenanigans. Cowboys tanked when Romo and Dez got injured. Wound up with Zeke, Dak, Jaylon Smith, Collins, Tapper, Anthony Brown, and Rico Gathers. Should have drafted Myles Jack instead of Jaylon though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lone star Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, lancerman said: The issue is most teams go into the season trying to win and by the time there is no point in trying for more than five teams in a conference too many games occurred to effectively tank. Also because it so conceivable to go winless, very few teams want that stigma and will fight like hell to avoid it Yessir. Some teams just don't sport the best lineups they could because they are officially out of it. Another reason why I like expanding playoffs to 7 teams on each side of the bracket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livewire Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Absolutely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGold Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 The lottery is just going to increase “tanking”. Not sure why everyone thinks it will decrease it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, samsel23 said: The lottery is just going to increase “tanking”. Not sure why everyone thinks it will decrease it. It goes beyond that, really. Tanking is pretty much unheard of now, a lottery would just serve to create it. 59 minutes ago, the lone star said: Cowboys tanked when Romo and Dez got injured. Cowboys "tanked" in large part, because Romo and Dez got injured. Who were the players that could have taken them to the playoffs that were sitting on the bench, instead? Tanking has gotten so ridiculous in the NBA that it's become pretty clear their lottery system isn't helping matters at all, and in all likelihood is even serving to fuel the tanking it's supposed to prevent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGold Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 17 minutes ago, Heinz D. said: Tanking has gotten so ridiculous in the NBA that it's become pretty clear their lottery system isn't helping matters at all, and in all likelihood is even serving to fuel the tanking it's supposed to prevent. It’s the main reasoning for tanking in the NBA imo. It’d be just as bad in the NFL. A 6-6 team is not going to risk winning anymore games and risk not getting a Top 5 percentage at the #1 pick. It might preventing, so called, tanking for the awful teams, but they usually are terrible anyways. They don’t need to try to lose games. It would absolutely increase the thought for average teams to purposely lose games to stay in the running for a percentage at the top pick. Worst team get the top pick, if they are bad it’s probably because they are awful at drafting anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotsWin! Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Nobody is suggesting copying the NBA system. Every team will have a shot at the top picks. Still weigh it so the bad teams have better odds of course, but don't guarantee any team a top 5 pick. How would that encourage an uptick in tanking? I don't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackywabbit Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Yea, not hard to come up with a better system than the NBA. Just linearly weight the draft odds at an inverse slope with wins. Would greatly minimize the effect of a couple fewer/more wins on the odds. But, even in the NBA the lottery does NOT make tanking worse. That's another thing people say with no good reasoning behind. If there was no lottery and a LeBron James type prospect was coming up, it would be madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuy82 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Hell no !! I believe it ruins the integrity of the game. NHL has there cute behind closed doors lottery where Bettman chooses where generational talents go for financial gains. A couple years ago when only one Canadian team made the playoffs the NHL lost millions. McDavid ends up in Edmonton, Matthews to Toronto and Rasmus Dahlin will probably end up Ottawa or Montreal even though Buffalo and Arizona have worst records Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 42 minutes ago, PatriotsWin! said: Nobody is suggesting copying the NBA system. Every team will have a shot at the top picks. Still weigh it so the bad teams have better odds of course, but don't guarantee any team a top 5 pick. How would that encourage an uptick in tanking? I don't see it. Seriously? Would all the teams involved have, say...a franchise quarterback? Does that factor into it? And a 10-6 team that barely misses the playoffs would still have a chance at winning the lottery over a 1-16 team? That doesn't help the league at all. It simply creates more drama, and more stuff for sports talking heads and internet fan sites to discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 30 minutes ago, wackywabbit said: But, even in the NBA the lottery does NOT make tanking worse. That's another thing people say with no good reasoning behind. If there was no lottery and a LeBron James type prospect was coming up, it would be madness. "Another thing people say with no good reasoning behind"? Are you at all aware of what the Philadelphia 76ers did, for over half a decade? Please explain the good reasoning that proves the opposing argument wrong. And no, typing "not" in all caps doesn't count. And...if there was no lottery and another LeBron was coming out...? I don't get it. No one would try to win a championship that year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 17 minutes ago, BillsGuy82 said: Hell no !! I believe it ruins the integrity of the game. NHL has there cute behind closed doors lottery where Bettman chooses where generational talents go for financial gains. A couple years ago when only one Canadian team made the playoffs the NHL lost millions. McDavid ends up in Edmonton, Matthews to Toronto and Rasmus Dahlin will probably end up Ottawa or Montreal even though Buffalo and Arizona have worst records And all the devils got was Nico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuy82 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Forge said: And all the devils got was Nico. No generational picks in last draft. Nico gonna be good though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackywabbit Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, Heinz D. said: "Another thing people say with no good reasoning behind"? Are you at all aware of what the Philadelphia 76ers did, for over half a decade? Please explain the good reasoning that proves the opposing argument wrong. And no, typing "not" in all caps doesn't count. See THIS is the lack of good reasoning that I'm talking about. That the 76ers were tanking under the lottery system does NOT mean that the lottery system makes tanking WORSE than a no lottery system. All it means is that it doesn't ELIMINATE tanking. Not eliminating something does NOT equal making it worse. As for reasoning behind it lessening tanking, logically there is LESS motivation to lose an extra game over a team with a similar record if it MIGHT get you a more coveted draft slot versus if losing the extra game was GUARANTEED to get you a more coveted draft spot. If there is one super elite prospect in a draft then two teams at the bottom have MORE motivation to lose games to secure a 100% chance of getting him in a no-lottery system versus getting a couple percentage points better chance at him in a lottery system. IDK why I had to explain that. That should be common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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