youngosu Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Seriously where is all this parity people keep talking about? Its a myth. And I don't understand why so many people buy into it. Compare the AFC to the AL since 2002 and despite the AL having less playoff appearances available you still see a better balance of playoff appearances in the AL compared to the AFC. Since 2002: Patriots 14 playoff appearances (PA), Jets 5 PA, Dolphins 2 PA, Bills 1 PA Steelers 11 PA, Ravens, 8 PA, Bengals 7 PA, Browns 1 PA Colts 12 PA, Titans 5 PA, Texans 4 PA, Jaguars 3 PA, Broncos 8 PA, Chargers 6 PA, Chiefs 4PA, Raiders 2 PA That is the AFC, compare that to the AL Yankees 11 PA, Red Sox 9 PA, Rays 4 PA, Orioles 3 PA, Blue Jays 2 PA Twins 7 PA, Tigers 5 PA, Indians 4 PA, White Sox 2 PA, Royals 2 PA, Angels 7 PA, Athletics 7 PA, Rangers 5 PA, Astros 4 PA (2 since moving to AL), Mariners 0 PA Parity is a myth in the NFL. MLB which is the sport everyone claims has no parity has more parity than the NFL. Your baseball team is more likely to go from a non-playoff team to a playoff team (and vice versa) than your NFL team is. When can we kill this myth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Who compares the AFC in NFL to the AL in MLB. Compare to something more reasonable like the NLL [Lacrosse] while your at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngosu Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, CriminalMind said: Who compares the AFC in NFL to the AL in MLB. Compare to something more reasonable like the NLL [Lacrosse] while your at it. Okay, solid response. So comparing the major pro league (NFL) that fans think has the most parity to the major pro league that fans think has the least (or 2nd least) parity (MLB) is an unreasonable comparison? Got it. Doesn't change the reality that you believe a lie if you believe the NFL has parity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BossierWhoDat Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I don't claim to be an expert on this but it seems like most teams go up for a couple years then back down for several years. The ones who STAY down seem to be the ones with sketchy/unorganized franchises. For some reason you didn't compare the AFC to the NFC...in which case, if you had, you would see a lot of parity: NFC Champions by year: 2017 Eagles, 2016 Falcons, 2015 Panthers, 2014 Seahawks, 2013 Seahawks, 2012 49ers, 2011 Giants, 2010 Packers, 2009 Saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2004 Philadelphia Eagles 13–3 Lost Super Bowl XXXIX 2005 New York Giants 11–5 Lost NFC Wild Card Playoffs 2006 Philadelphia Eagles 10–6 Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs 2007 Dallas Cowboys 13–3 Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs 2008 New York Giants 12–4 Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs 2009 Dallas Cowboys 11–5 Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs 2010 Philadelphia Eagles 10–6 Lost NFC Wild Card Playoffs 2011 New York Giants 9–7 Won Super Bowl XLVI 2012 Washington Redskins 10–6 Lost NFC Wild Card Playoffs 2013 Philadelphia Eagles 10–6 Lost NFC Wild Card Playoffs 2014 Dallas Cowboys 12–4 Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs 2015 Washington Redskins 9–7 Lost NFC Wild Card Playoffs 2016 Dallas Cowboys 13–3 Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs 2017 Philadelphia Eagles 13–3 Won Super Bowl LII The NFC East hasn't been won by the same team in back to back seasons since 2001-2004 Eagles: 5, Cowboys: 4, New York Giants: 3, Redskins: 2 You're not going to ever have 100% even distribution unless you are a football communist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngosu Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, BossierWhoDat said: I don't claim to be an expert on this but it seems like most teams go up for a couple years then back down for several years. The ones who STAY down seem to be the ones with sketchy/unorganized franchises. For some reason you didn't compare the AFC to the NFC...in which case, if you had, you would see a lot of parity: NFC Champions by year: 2017 Eagles, 2016 Falcons, 2015 Panthers, 2014 Seahawks, 2013 Seahawks, 2012 49ers, 2011 Giants, 2010 Packers, 2009 Saints Would I? Just because the champions change doesn't mean you have parity. NFC Eagles 9 PA, Giants 7 PA, Cowboys 6 PA, Redskins 4 PA Packers 12 PA, Vikings 6 PA, Lions 3 PA, Bears 3 PA Falcons 8 PA, Panthers 7 PA Saints 6 PA, Buccaneers 3 PA, Seahawks 11 PA, 49ers 4 PA, Cardinals 4 PA, Rams 3 PA Still less parity than the American League. And the reason I didn't show the NFC was time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngosu Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Danger said: 2004 Philadelphia Eagles 13–3 Lost Super Bowl XXXIX 2005 New York Giants 11–5 Lost NFC Wild Card Playoffs 2006 Philadelphia Eagles 10–6 Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs 2007 Dallas Cowboys 13–3 Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs 2008 New York Giants 12–4 Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs 2009 Dallas Cowboys 11–5 Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs 2010 Philadelphia Eagles 10–6 Lost NFC Wild Card Playoffs 2011 New York Giants 9–7 Won Super Bowl XLVI 2012 Washington Redskins 10–6 Lost NFC Wild Card Playoffs 2013 Philadelphia Eagles 10–6 Lost NFC Wild Card Playoffs 2014 Dallas Cowboys 12–4 Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs 2015 Washington Redskins 9–7 Lost NFC Wild Card Playoffs 2016 Dallas Cowboys 13–3 Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs 2017 Philadelphia Eagles 13–3 Won Super Bowl LII The NFC East hasn't been won by the same team in back to back seasons since 2001-2004 Eagles: 5, Cowboys: 4, New York Giants: 3, Redskins: 2 You're not going to ever have 100% even distribution unless you are a football communist. So the NFC East has parity like MLB. That doesn't mean the NFL has parity. I think its fair to argue you have 5 NFL divisions that have been clearly dominated by 1 team since realignment (AFC East, North, South and NFC North, West) That doesn't sound like a league with parity to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 This is a far more telling graphic. The lowest team, Houston, at 4, has only been around for about 16 years or so. https://www.statista.com/statistics/784468/teams-ranked-by-playoff-appearances-in-nfl-history/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngosu Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Danger said: This is a far more telling graphic. The lowest team, Houston, at 4, has only been around for about 16 years or so. https://www.statista.com/statistics/784468/teams-ranked-by-playoff-appearances-in-nfl-history/ How does that demonstrate parity in the league? Do you have a comparison to any other league? I figured I'd get lots of pushback, fans are invested in believing the NFL's lie about parity and no one likes to admit they bought into a lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, youngosu said: How does that demonstrate parity in the league? Do you have a comparison to any other league? I figured I'd get lots of pushback, fans are invested in believing the NFL's lie about parity and no one likes to admit they bought into a lie. You're obviously going to have some dysfunctional organizations like the Browns or how the Raiders were for a number of years. And besides, what's important equal opportunity or equal results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngosu Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, Danger said: You're obviously going to have some dysfunctional organizations like the Browns or how the Raiders were for a number of years. And besides, what's important equal opportunity or equal results? Parity means something close to equal results than equal opportunity. I am not arguing teams don't have equal opportunity, the NBA has equal opportunity but no one argues the NBA has parity. All 4 pro sports leagues in the USA provide equal opportunity. In MLB Tampa Bay may choose to spend less than the Yankees but their owner can spend just as much is he wants, the opportunity is equal. It may be more difficult for Tampa Bay to turn a profit but they still have the equal opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buc Ball Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, Danger said: You're obviously going to have some dysfunctional organizations like the Browns or how the Raiders were for a number of years. And besides, what's important equal opportunity or equal results? This. The parity lies in the opportunity. You can’t measure it based on outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, youngosu said: I figured I'd get lots of pushback, fans are invested in believing the NFL's lie about parity and no one likes to admit they bought into a lie. You sound like a really open minded person lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngosu Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Buc Ball said: This. The parity lies in the opportunity. You can’t measure it based on outcome. Lol, already explained why this is ridiculous above. I guess college football has parity than right? Every school has 85 scholarships to use on their roster, equal opportunity. I guess we are no changing the definition of parity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BossierWhoDat Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 20 minutes ago, youngosu said: Would I? Just because the champions change doesn't mean you have parity. NFC Eagles 9 PA, Giants 7 PA, Cowboys 6 PA, Redskins 4 PA Packers 12 PA, Vikings 6 PA, Lions 3 PA, Bears 3 PA Falcons 8 PA, Panthers 7 PA Saints 6 PA, Buccaneers 3 PA, Seahawks 11 PA, 49ers 4 PA, Cardinals 4 PA, Rams 3 PA Still less parity than the American League. And the reason I didn't show the NFC was time. That doesn't look like parity to you? If not, what DOES parity look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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