Packers Forum Big Board - #4

[MNPackfan32]

6 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

He can't play the run. A  sub player is not a top 5 player in any draft.

Von Miller? Vic Beasley?

Not saying he's as good as Miller, he's probably closer to Beasley.

[Packerraymond]

27 minutes ago, MNPackfan32 said:

Von Miller? Vic Beasley?

Not saying he's as good as Miller, he's probably closer to Beasley.

He's not anywhere in the same tier as either of those two for me. Both two can anchor in the run a bit, Beasley repped it 35 times, guy is crazy strong.

[SpeightTheVillain]

1 hour ago, MNPackfan32 said:

Easily Landry. Since 2000, here's a list of 250+ lb DL with sub 6.90 3-cone drafted in the 1st round:

DeMarcus Ware

JJ Watt

TJ Watt

Melvin Ingram 

Joey Bosa

David Pollack

(Harold Landry) 

That's it. Per PFF Mike on Twitter.

Sacks per game:

Ware - .76 

JJ Watt - .46

TJ Watt - .52

Ingram - .42

Bosa - .68

Pollack - Can't find sack stats without a lot of work

 

 

Landry - .66

 

Full disclosure: I started this study thinking Landry didn't have the production - but he does.

I'm not taking him over James but he moved above Davenport. 

[SpeightTheVillain]

4 minutes ago, SpeightTheVillain said:

Sacks per game:

Ware - .76 

JJ Watt - .46

TJ Watt - .52

Ingram - .42

Bosa - .68

Pollack - Can't find sack stats without a lot of work

 

 

Landry - .66

 

Full disclosure: I started this study thinking Landry didn't have the production - but he does.

I'm not taking him over James but he moved above Davenport. 

Does anyone know where can get data on running plays vs. these teams?

Stats may be inflated by the amount of passing plays they faced

[chillparsi1]

2 hours ago, MNPackfan32 said:

Easily Landry. Since 2000, here's a list of 250+ lb DL with sub 6.90 3-cone drafted in the 1st round:

DeMarcus Ware

JJ Watt

TJ Watt

Melvin Ingram 

Joey Bosa

David Pollack

(Harold Landry) 

That's it. Per PFF Mike on Twitter.

It's possible I'm misinterpreting your point - but a big feature here is "in the 1st round." It's not like those are the only players to run a sub 6.9 3-cone at over 250.

From this year, Sam Hubbard and Kylie Fitts cross that barrier. 

From previous years: Jordan Willis, Kony Ealy, Devin Taylor, Sam Acho, Connor Barwin all are there. Admittedly still a pretty respectable list (albeit I've just used NFL.com's combine top performers which only goes back to 2006 and many dont run the 3 cone at the combine), but my point is you can't just use that to look at that to justify taking Landry.

[Gopackgonerd]

3 hours ago, Packerraymond said:

He can't play the run. A  sub player is not a top 5 player in any draft.

Watching him more right now. Have to agree with him vs the run. Guy does need to bulk up. I do think he guesses too much as well in the run game, he'll need to be better at reading plays out. He is pretty bad at setting the edge as well. That speed is definetely his bread and butter.

[FinneasGage]

been going derwin the whole time

[OneTwoSixFive]

i'll go forthe upside of Edmunds here.

Even though he is not an out and out edge rusher, he could be, and with his youth, he could even have a longer career in the NFL.

[MNPackfan32]

8 hours ago, chillparsi1 said:

It's possible I'm misinterpreting your point - but a big feature here is "in the 1st round." It's not like those are the only players to run a sub 6.9 3-cone at over 250.

From this year, Sam Hubbard and Kylie Fitts cross that barrier. 

From previous years: Jordan Willis, Kony Ealy, Devin Taylor, Sam Acho, Connor Barwin all are there. Admittedly still a pretty respectable list (albeit I've just used NFL.com's combine top performers which only goes back to 2006 and many dont run the 3 cone at the combine), but my point is you can't just use that to look at that to justify taking Landry.

I don't think you misinterpreted it at all. It was only the 1st round guys. Like you said, still a good list, I should run them through the explosion filter and see if a few of them get filtered out.

[Gopher Trace]

10 hours ago, MNPackfan32 said:

Von Miller? Vic Beasley?

Not saying he's as good as Miller, he's probably closer to Beasley.

 

These are fair counterexamples, but those two had crazy explosiveness that I do not really see in Landy. He's more like Clay, IMO (very similar numbers): good athlete, not elite.

[Leader]

Just now, Gopher Trace said:

These are fair counterexamples, but those two had crazy explosiveness that I do not really see in Landy. He's more like Clay, IMO (very similar numbers): good athlete, not elite.

And why you taking Landry over Davenport?

[Gopher Trace]

As to the (rigged) ranking: I'm an Edmunds guy. He's a chess-piece the like of which I think we have not seen in an LB'er. Anthony Barr gets thrown around as a comparison but I think Edmunds is much more dynamic.

[Spartacus]

Edmunds for me. I just think he is going to have a great career at the next level.