(?) Players to Target in Trades Back into the 1st Round

[Mind Character]

This is my best case scenario final target board based on the idea of trading both picks at the top of the 2nd for 1st round picks.

1. Number 1 Overall. 1st Pick: Sam Darnold, QB USC

2. 2nd Pick (2nd, 1st Rounder): Bradley Chubb, DE NCSTATE

3. 3rd Pick (3rd, 1st Rounder) Mike Hughes, CB UCF

4. 4th Pick (4th, 1st Rounder) a. Da'Ron Payne, DT Alabama // b. Mike McGlinchey, LT Notre Dame // c. DJ Moore, WR Maryland // d. Taven Bryan, DT Florida // e. Jaire Alexander, CB Louisville

If we, walk away from the draft with Darnold, Chubb, Hughes, and 1 of (Payne, McGlinchey, Moore, Bryan, or Alexander).

We really need Mike Hughes' 4.53, 40 yard dash, and diminutive size to scare some teams off so he can fall in round 1. It's a real possibility.

It'll be the best draft ever...

[Mind Character]

Based on Trade Back into the First Targets -- The Mock Draft

**** Philosophy: Create as many positional units that can be a decisive force on the field.

1(1) Browns Select: Sam Darnold QB USC

1(2) New York Giants select Josh Allen QB Wyoming

1(3) New York Jets (via Trade) select Josh Rosen QB UCLA 

1(4) Browns Select: Bradley Chubb DE NC State 

***Trade**** Trade our Eagles' 2nd Round pick number 65 overall to move up 11 spots to go from 33 to 22 in the 1st round. We receive a 2018 5th round pick, 6th round pick, and the 22nd overall pick for the 33rd and the 65th overall pick in the second round. We go up and get the best CB in the draft. It costs us a pretty penny, but it's well worth it.

**1(22) Browns Select: Mike Hughes CB UCF

***Trade**** We give up our 4th round pick and future considerations to secure a 4th, 1st round pick. We traded a 4th round pick to trade up from the 2nd to the 1st last year to select David Njoku. So, we essentially do that trade again this year.

**1(27) Browns Select: Da'Ron Payne DT Alabama // Mike McGlinchey LT Notre Dame // DJ Moore WR Maryland // Taven Bryan DT Florida

5. Browns Select: Dane Cruikshank FS Arizona

5.***via Trade-- Browns Select: Ade Aruna DE Tulane // Mark Walton RB Miami (Ankle and knee injury concerns drop him in the draft along with RB talent pool depth)

6. Browns Select: Hunter Renfrow WR Clemson

7. Browns Select: BPA

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[Mind Character]

On 3/23/2018 at 1:14 PM, Mind Character said:

This is my best case scenario final target board based on the idea of trading both picks at the top of the 2nd for 1st round picks.

1. Number 1 Overall. 1st Pick: Sam Darnold, QB USC

2. 2nd Pick (2nd, 1st Rounder): Bradley Chubb, DE NCSTATE

3. 3rd Pick (3rd, 1st Rounder) Mike Hughes, CB UCF

4. 4th Pick (4th, 1st Rounder) a. Da'Ron Payne, DT Alabama // b. Mike McGlinchey, LT Notre Dame // c. DJ Moore, WR Maryland // d. Taven Bryan, DT Florida // e. Jaire Alexander, CB Louisville

If we, walk away from the draft with Darnold, Chubb, Hughes, and 1 of (Payne, McGlinchey, Moore, Bryan, or Alexander).

We really need Mike Hughes' 4.53, 40 yard dash, and diminutive size to scare some teams off so he can fall in round 1. It's a real possibility.

It'll be the best draft ever...

A lot more buzz regarding Mike Hughes slipping in the draft...

At this point, I think it's a guarantee that we end up with 2 of Da'Ron Payne, DJ Moore, Mike Hughes, Jaire Alexander, and/or Derrius Guice in trades back into the 1st round.

I think Dorsey will see Tyreek Hill and Steve Smith in DJ Moore... and Chris Jones in Da'Ron Payne

[MistaBohmbastic]

On ‎3‎/‎23‎/‎2018 at 1:14 PM, Mind Character said:

We really need Mike Hughes' 4.53, 40 yard dash, and diminutive size to scare some teams off so he can fall in round 1. It's a real possibility.

Because I'm sure teams are way more worried about some questionable combine measurements than an assault charge and playing at three different schools...

Still, that's the guy I planned on posting about when I entered this thread. Love Hughes.

Depending on who we take at 4 (i.e. Not Chubb), I'd also trade back in for a guy like Davenport

[MistaBohmbastic]

31 minutes ago, Mind Character said:

I think Dorsey will see Tyreek Hill and Steve Smith in DJ Moore... and Chris Jones in Da'Ron Payne

Man, I just love Anthony Miller. I would totally take him with 35 over Moore. Did anyone see his Players Tribune write-up today?

[Mind Character]

19 minutes ago, MistaBohmbastic said:

Man, I just love Anthony Miller. I would totally take him with 35 over Moore. Did anyone see his Players Tribune write-up today?

No... I didn't get a chance to read that... he has great tape...I see Miller as a Coleman clone with a bigger and more natural catch radius due to his natural catching instincts... he's a tough and gritty player.

DJ Moore is more potent in his ability to stack and get on top of a DB in the vertical passing game, and he is a run after catch specialist and high point the ball extraordinaire...

Miller's a really good player though...

[Mind Character]

47 minutes ago, MistaBohmbastic said:

Because I'm sure teams are way more worried about some questionable combine measurements than an assault charge and playing at three different schools...

Still, that's the guy I planned on posting about when I entered this thread. Love Hughes.

Depending on who we take at 4 (i.e. Not Chubb), I'd also trade back in for a guy like Davenport

Not sure about you're info on the assault charges... all the digging I found was that he had one assault charge via a frat party that was eventually dropped without prosecution...  that all his coaches and people around him vouch for him... I didn't hear about multiples...

Based strictly on football ability Hughes is a top 5 talent... and the type of prospect with some off the field concerns that Dorsey always targets if they fall late first round...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/florida-recruiting/blog/os-sp-mike-hughes-ucf-former-coaches-20170820-story.html

There's nothing about the tape of Davenport that suggests to me that he is anything other than a 34 OLB... he's a good player though

[MistaBohmbastic]

@Mind Character

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/a-letter-to-nfl-gms-anthony-miller`

I recommend that EVERYONE reads this. Miller is just such an inspiring dude.

As far as your view comparing him to Coleman, I disagree. For one, he is an exceptional blocker, does all the dirty work, as you started to allude to. 

I think he could very well end up being the best receiver in this class. Maybe not as quick as an Antonio Brown, but his tenacity and all around ability certainly reminds me of AB.

[Kiwibrown]

Is all bright a good dude? Is he Hues bff? I forget.

[MistaBohmbastic]

5 hours ago, Kiwibrown said:

Is all bright a good dude? Is he Hues bff? I forget.

A bit self righteous. Constantly toots his own horn, but far from an endorser of Hue. I think he's pretty credible.

[NudeTayne]

7 hours ago, MistaBohmbastic said:

@Mind Character

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/a-letter-to-nfl-gms-anthony-miller`

I recommend that EVERYONE reads this. Miller is just such an inspiring dude.

As far as your view comparing him to Coleman, I disagree. For one, he is an exceptional blocker, does all the dirty work, as you started to allude to. 

I think he could very well end up being the best receiver in this class. Maybe not as quick as an Antonio Brown, but his tenacity and all around ability certainly reminds me of AB.

Great read. I'd love to grab him at 64. I feel like he could make it there. Him and Baker for ten years would be great. They both play inspired.

[LETSGOBROWNIES]

8 hours ago, MistaBohmbastic said:

A bit self righteous. Constantly toots his own horn, but far from an endorser of Hue. I think he's pretty credible.

He was a good poster here from what folks remember of him.

[bruceb]

With the possible exception of a DL or CB, not sure there is anyone worth trading back up into R1 to get.

Would rather trade at least one of our top two R2 picks for a 2019 R1, with a kiss (e.g., R4 pick).

[TheeRealDeal]

6 hours ago, bruceb said:

With the possible exception of a DL or CB, not sure there is anyone worth trading back up into R1 to get.

Would rather trade at least one of our top two R2 picks for a 2019 R1, with a kiss (e.g., R4 pick).

I beg to differ. I think it is more beneficial to trade up from 33 and/or 35 to get a player that has fallen into the mid 20s because IMO the pickens get extremely thin and I'm not sold on us getting a dude at 33 or 35 if we sit and wait. The only 2 exceptions may be Guice(off field issues) and Hughes(off field issues) dropping. I think the Browns would be doing them a disservice by reaching on a guy like Hurst(medical) knowing many teams have dropped him completely and how deep the 3T class is in the middle rounds.

The OT class is a bunch of scrubs after McGlinchey. I would love a OT at 33 or 35 but I cannot convince myself of either of the guys; (O'Neil) insane upside with limit OLine experience but the risk of absolute failure is far too high, (Miller) athletic marvel but stiff as a board. Refuses to bend his knees and gets bullied by powerful lineman, (Williams) the worst "1st round" OT i've seen in a long time if ever. For such hype the guy was a disaster on film. Lunges more than any OT in this class, reaches and grabs on nearly every play. NFL DEs will feast on him and he is a holding machine waiting to happen. Should be a guard because film does him much better when he is engaged. Playing in space is not his specialty, (Crosby) hands down my favorite of the 2nd round OT options. Barely knew of him a month ago but kept watching OTs in hopes of there being hope in the OT class. Kid moves exceptionally well. Great in space. Never missed second level blocks. Pulls, locates and locks on exceptionally well. The thing that concerns me with him is that I have never really seen him drive someone. He doesn't get beat but it is always by shielding the defender from the play. I wish I could have seen him in workouts and things like that because I do think Oregon's offense is designed in that way. None of their lineman every really fire out and drive. He could have the ability and I've just never seen it but that is too risky IMO.

WR at 33? No thanks. Ridley and Moore will be gone and even if they are on the board I'm not sold on either being any kind of special. I don't see this high point extraordinaire that MC sees out of Moore, in fact,  I actually see the opposite of Mind as Anthony Miller high points and attacks the ball far superior but I think Miller will be available in a trade down to 48-55 range or even at 64. Sutton is nothing special, Kirk is a slot guy through and through and we just signed one to a mega deal so no thanks. I would take Antonio Callaway in the 4th round off the field issues and all over a WR at 33 in this class.

RB at #33? Michel has fumbling issues and possible knee issues. Penny is mega overrated IMO and it is very debatable whether Guice is going to be there at #33 or not. I personally would take Ronald Jones at #33 but I don't think the league has that same value on him because I haven't heard much buzz for the 1st round with him. Guice and Michel have seemingly passed him by a while ago. 

We not longer absolutely need a FS and thank God for that because Jessie Bates getting this 1st round love is what I saw when I first watched him and it is very real as a centerfielder but my god his angles, tackling and straight up lack of desire to tackle are some of the worst I have ever seen from a defender. Bates could easily be the Deion Sanders of safeties as far as tackling goes. Justin Reid has coverage limitations. Ronnie Harrison is not a FS by any stretch and is inferior in every way to Jabrill Peppers so what is the point in drafting him? I do personally like Edmunds game and believe he is an interchangeable type safety that can make a defense very versatile I just don't know that the need is worth the risk as Edmunds does need some refining yet.

Pass rusher? Ha this class is an absolute joke after the first 3 guys(Chubb, Davenport, Landry). Sam Hubbard adds zero to this defense that it doesn't already have. I would gamble more on the upside of Chris Smith than picking Hubbard in the Top 45 picks. Josh Sweat? Does that guy have an aggressive or physical bone in his body? Arden Key is not a falling prospect as I saw printed in the media yesterday. He is a never was who was vastly overrated from the start. Most of his plays were made because he wasn't blocked. He has zero physicality and his athletic traits were wildly over exaggerated. I like the idea of Ogbonnia Okoronkwo as a situational pass rusher with Yannick Ngakoue upside but he can be had with the 64th pick or even later. 

Rashaan Evans and Lorenzo Carter? We already have 3 better than quality LBs and a very good/excellent reserve backer in James Burgess. No thanks on a LB unless they are exception prospects and these two guys are far from exceptional.

Some guys with some plus upside that should be available at #33; Billy Price, James Daniels, Frank Ragnow, Will Hernandez, Dallas Goedert and Hayden Hurst but unless you can tell me those guys are Hall of Fame locks then I'm not willing to pull the trigger when interior OL is easily the most concrete position group on the team. Its not like you can trade guards with big contract for even remotely fair market value either and you simply don't rotate Olineman. A big fat no thanks. Njoku, Fells and DeValve with a real QB are going to be an very nice stable of TEs and neither Goedert or Hayden are special enough for me to make that pick.

I have been steadfast all draft season that this was no a very deep class and I still firmly believe it. I think a lot of fans have talked themselves into believing something that is not there. The quality talent in draft typically runs to pick 45ish give or tack a few spots depending on the year. Aside from 1 or 2 guys falling for off the field issues I see the talent pool drying up in the 22-28 range unless you are a fan of interior OLineman which is a sign in and of itself that the talent is short in this draft otherwise this many interior guys would never be getting Top 45 love.

[Fofsadness]

6. Roquan Smith, LB Georgia (Low Likelihood): When there are multiple LB1, 1st round prospects available in a given draft (Tremaine Edmunds LB Va Tech, Rashaan Evans, LB Alabama, Leighton Vander Esch LB Boise State, Lorenzo Carter LB Georgia), someone always gets the short end of the stick. While Roquan Smith is thought to be a great player, he is undersized and less "body beautiful" relative to the physical and athletic freak multiple LB1 prospects in the draft. Will another team choose the bigger, stronger, faster, longer, athletes when their impacts are similar? Even more, LB is not a premium position teams like to spend 1st round picks on given the ability to find competent and impact LBs much later in the draft. So, if in reality 3 teams are willing to go LB in Round 1, Edmunds, Vander Esch, and Evans may be higher on those teams boards. If so, although not a need position for us with Kirksey, Collins, and Schobert, Roquan is a premium player with rare abilities and next level leadership that would be an upgrade over an already solid Joe Schobert. Would we pass on such a player if they're available?

No way Smith gets past the top 15...