biletnikoff Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 On 4/1/2018 at 12:23 AM, TomRalph said: As someone from England who has seen his country's most popular sport become engulfed by betting and online betting, it's absolutely crazy that the NFL isn't desperate to get involved. The money to be made is astronomical. I think the whole concept of 'fake gambling' in fantasy football is strange and the amount of coverage it gets is odd. Imagine a similar aspect in which you can actually win a lot of money...it's a no brainer. Going a bit off-topic here but I think the fact that gambling is illegal in a country which prides itself on freedom for citizens when it's legal pretty much everywhere else is strange. Freedom is a myth. Choice doesn't mean freedom. Taxation is slavery..credit debt etc.. ...lol just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddyboy Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Look up Bert Bell and Leonard Tose. Bell founded the Philadelphia Eagles during the 1930s. Later NFL Commissioner. Was a skilled card player. Tose lost his $$ to gambing addiction and his team to his daughter in federal court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 10 hours ago, biletnikoff said: Freedom is a myth. Choice doesn't mean freedom. Taxation is slavery..credit debt etc.. ...lol just saying Choice DOES mean freedom in many cases. You can CHOOSE not to get yourself into credit card debt. You can CHOOSE to live within your means. You can CHOOSE a profession where you can make enough money to pay your taxes AND still have a life. IMO, freedom is something that is very real. What people CHOOSE to do with it is a whole other matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biletnikoff Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Uncle Buck said: Choice DOES mean freedom in many cases. You can CHOOSE not to get yourself into credit card debt. You can CHOOSE to live within your means. You can CHOOSE a profession where you can make enough money to pay your taxes AND still have a life. IMO, freedom is something that is very real. What people CHOOSE to do with it is a whole other matter. You are a good slave. You are accepting the confined life you had no choice but to accept per govt rule. Just because you can choose a car or red/blue shirt doesn't mean freedom. You don't' get to chose any profession. You have to compete with other to make a living..that does not qualify as freedom or choice in a pure, honest form. No obe can.luve debt free who is a tax slave. Car,house,rent, taxes,food, you are in debt every day of your life , since you were born. You have to make money purely to give to others to live. Govt forces taxes on you no matter what you do=debt slave. 5 days on, 2 days off till you die is not freedom of any kind. Lol at working your *** off for 2 weeks a year of vacation and thinking that's' great or fair. It's pure slavery to govt... don' tell me I'm free but have to co.pete to work or say unemployed. Competition for survival is not freedom for anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddyboy Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 The US Congress can put labels on cigarettes warning about health, but dumb people will smoke. Lotteries have 18 million to 1 odds but they sell like hotcakes. The NFL wants legalized gambling? A fool and his $$ are soon parted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted April 4, 2018 Author Share Posted April 4, 2018 Folks, you are crossing into areas where you all know Webby does not want the forum to go. Gambling in NFL? Dicey, but at least within the bounds of topic of football. Choice, personal freedom, and government forces? C'mon now, take it somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biletnikoff Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Woz said: Folks, you are crossing into areas where you all know Webby does not want the forum to go. Gambling in NFL? Dicey, but at least within the bounds of topic of football. Choice, personal freedom, and government forces? C'mon now, take it somewhere else. well, it is the off season. Don' be afraid to expand your brain. Pro sports really does have everything to do with govt.. Give them their bread and circuses of distraction. Again, the only reason pro sports even exist is because bookies wanted another way to make money off gamblers. Whether it's legal or not by your understanding of the definition, doesn't matter. Govt and the leagues still make billions off it. How in the hell else do you think Rooney made his early fortunes? He told his team to lose while betting on them to lose. He was a bookie..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted April 4, 2018 Author Share Posted April 4, 2018 Just now, biletnikoff said: well, it is the off season. Don' be afraid to expand your brain. Has absolutely nothing to do with the offseason or what I do or do not know, but what the rules of the forum are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biletnikoff Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Woz said: Has absolutely nothing to do with the offseason or what I do or do not know, but what the rules of the forum are. Like the rest of my post stated,it all relates. TV sports was embraced by govt to keep you distracted from important things. If you are dumb enough to lose your money gambling,they have their hands in that too. What they told you was illegal, is under the table money for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 16 hours ago, biletnikoff said: You are a good slave. You are accepting the confined life you had no choice but to accept per govt rule. Just because you can choose a car or red/blue shirt doesn't mean freedom. You don't' get to chose any profession. You have to compete with other to make a living..that does not qualify as freedom or choice in a pure, honest form. No obe can.luve debt free who is a tax slave. Car,house,rent, taxes,food, you are in debt every day of your life , since you were born. You have to make money purely to give to others to live. Govt forces taxes on you no matter what you do=debt slave. 5 days on, 2 days off till you die is not freedom of any kind. Lol at working your *** off for 2 weeks a year of vacation and thinking that's' great or fair. It's pure slavery to govt... don' tell me I'm free but have to co.pete to work or say unemployed. Competition for survival is not freedom for anyone. Unfortunately, we live in a world with unlimited wants and limited resources. The type of freedom you are describing is not possible, at least until technology advances quite a bit from where it is now. I was originally speaking more from a standpoint of economics, but I understand that Woz thinks this discussion is getting a little close to the arena of politics, so I'll put an end to it from my end. On another note, how about those Vikings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Well it's official - state-sanctioned sports betting is no longer illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuskieTitan Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Just now, Broncofan said: Well it's official - state-sanctioned sports betting is no longer illegal. Vegas is about to become a lot more affordable to visit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, RuskieTitan said: Vegas is about to become a lot more affordable to visit. Also going to remove the stigma of having a NFL football team there. Interesting ripple effect. People were spending $ but now it goes to states instead of Vegas or non-US sites. DFS probably is the big winner, given several states outlawed it, but will now likely permit its use throughout the land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DistantRam Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 On 28/03/2018 at 12:28 AM, Broncofan said: Let’s be honest if wearing women’s lingerie would potentially make that kind of $ for the owners having all the players wear Victoria Secret would be up for discussion. André Smith could certainly fill out a bra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 I just need to know how to bet against Joe Flacco in every single game until the postseason arrives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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