Gopackgonerd Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 45 minutes ago, pacman5252 said: It depends what you are looking for. I feel like Chubb and Davenport we'd get another at best Nick Perry (3 cones are all in the same ball park 7.20-7.35, bigger, less fluid). Landry is by far the quickest and is really the better pure pass rusher, which we need and I'd value more. His quickness jumps off the table more. Landry's 3 cone was 6.88 which is on par with what Clay's was 6.9). That is another reason I'm also on Leighton Vander Esh (pass rushing ILB, 3 cone of 6.88). I'd like more fluid athletes than stiffs. I mean a healthy Nick Perry is not bad lol. I actually think they're more athletic than Nick Perry tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodjahs12 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Gopackgonerd said: I mean a healthy Nick Perry is not bad lol. I actually think they're more athletic than Nick Perry tbh. I'd argue more explosive as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green19 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Honestly I get the vibe that James or Landry are the preferred picks for GB. I think James would require a trade up though (maybe with Oakland, via the Reggie relationship). If neither are viable (although I think Landry is almost a lock to be there), I think a group of Josh Jackson, Vander Esch, Vea or Payne make up the targets. But honestly they would likely try to trade down. I don’t think GB is high at all on Davenport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Green19 said: Honestly I get the vibe that James or Landry are the preferred picks for GB. I think James would require a trade up though (maybe with Oakland, via the Reggie relationship). I like Derwin James, but I really wonder about his overall fit in our scheme. We need boundary corners in the worst way possible, and Josh Jones seems like he's headed to that SS/LB hybrid role so where does that leave James? Is he going to have enough of an impact at SS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green19 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, CWood21 said: I like Derwin James, but I really wonder about his overall fit in our scheme. We need boundary corners in the worst way possible, and Josh Jones seems like he's headed to that SS/LB hybrid role so where does that leave James? Is he going to have enough of an impact at SS? I think James becomes your slot defender and star position, like Woodson. He said GB discussed slot corner with him. We need boundary CBs yes... but honestly the only guys that fit that in the first for GB is Jackson and Oliver (I mean ideally given measurables). And that can be had in a trade down. Plus does anyone think any of the corners on the roster at this point can play the slot? King, Tramon and if they resign House are all boundary corners. They can justify the pick because Pettine said, your 3rd CB is a starter. Plus I think as they age you could do interesting things with both Jones and James as they are hybrids with one being a LB/S and the other being a CB/S. Just my thinking though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopackgonerd Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 17 minutes ago, CWood21 said: I like Derwin James, but I really wonder about his overall fit in our scheme. We need boundary corners in the worst way possible, and Josh Jones seems like he's headed to that SS/LB hybrid role so where does that leave James? Is he going to have enough of an impact at SS? Wouldn't Tramon be our boundary to let him play in the slot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman5252 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 33 minutes ago, Rodjahs12 said: I'd argue more explosive as well. Nick Perry 6'3'' 271 40- 4.64, bench 35, vert 38.5, broad jump 124, 3 cone 7.25, 20 yard shuttle 4.66 http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/nick-perry?id=2533048 M Davenport 6'6'' 265 40- 4.58, bench 22, vert 33.5, broad jump 124, 3 cone 7.20, 20 yard shuttle 4.41 http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/marcus-davenport?id=2559817 B Chubb 6'4'' 269 40- 4.65, bench 23, vert 36, broad jump 121, 3 cone 7.37, 20 yard shuttle 4.41 http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/bradley-chubb?id=2560043 Pure numbers wise, they are all pretty much the same guy. Perry was stronger. Chubb and Davenport have a better 20 yard shuttle. Jumps/40s are all pretty much the same Landry 6'3', 252' 40- 4.64, bench 24, vert 36, broad jump 119, 3 cone 6.88, 20 yard shuttle 4.19 http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/harold-landry?id=2559923 Look at the quickness numbers. We need a rusher, not another collapse the pocket Elephant end (we have 3 quality DL and Perry that have that skill set.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollino14 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 36 minutes ago, CWood21 said: I like Derwin James, but I really wonder about his overall fit in our scheme. We need boundary corners in the worst way possible, and Josh Jones seems like he's headed to that SS/LB hybrid role so where does that leave James? Is he going to have enough of an impact at SS? I think any competent DC would find multiple positions for James. Nobody is gonna limit him to a position and rightfully so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 23 minutes ago, Gopackgonerd said: Wouldn't Tramon be our boundary to let him play in the slot? I was speaking more in terms of long-term than right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantyWrestler Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 54 minutes ago, Green19 said: Honestly I get the vibe that James or Landry are the preferred picks for GB. I think James would require a trade up though (maybe with Oakland, via the Reggie relationship). If neither are viable (although I think Landry is almost a lock to be there), I think a group of Josh Jackson, Vander Esch, Vea or Payne make up the targets. But honestly they would likely try to trade down. I don’t think GB is high at all on Davenport. Based in n what knowledge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 hour ago, CWood21 said: In theory, that works amazingly. But realistically, who'd make that kind of move? Let's assume the Browns and Packers had each other's pick and the Jets/Colts trade never happened. Who knows. Browns, Jets, Broncos, would all be possibilities if they really liked one specific QB. We probably wouldn't get a King's ransom but there simply isnt that cant-miss guy in this year's draft that GB would have to take at 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kepler Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 34 minutes ago, pacman5252 said: Nick Perry 6'3'' 271 40- 4.64, bench 35, vert 38.5, broad jump 124, 3 cone 7.25, 20 yard shuttle 4.66 http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/nick-perry?id=2533048 M Davenport 6'6'' 265 40- 4.58, bench 22, vert 33.5, broad jump 124, 3 cone 7.20, 20 yard shuttle 4.41 http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/marcus-davenport?id=2559817 B Chubb 6'4'' 269 40- 4.65, bench 23, vert 36, broad jump 121, 3 cone 7.37, 20 yard shuttle 4.41 http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/bradley-chubb?id=2560043 Pure numbers wise, they are all pretty much the same guy. Perry was stronger. Chubb and Davenport have a better 20 yard shuttle. Jumps/40s are all pretty much the same Landry 6'3', 252' 40- 4.64, bench 24, vert 36, broad jump 119, 3 cone 6.88, 20 yard shuttle 4.19 http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/harold-landry?id=2559923 Look at the quickness numbers. We need a rusher, not another collapse the pocket Elephant end (we have 3 quality DL and Perry that have that skill set.) Huh, the bench numbers are interesting because I figured Davenport would have surpassed Landry there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kepler said: Huh, the bench numbers are interesting because I figured Davenport would have surpassed Landry there. Bench press is worthless, Landry being 3 inches shorter helps him there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 40 minutes ago, pacman5252 said: Nick Perry 6'3'' 271 40- 4.64, bench 35, vert 38.5, broad jump 124, 3 cone 7.25, 20 yard shuttle 4.66 http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/nick-perry?id=2533048 M Davenport 6'6'' 265 40- 4.58, bench 22, vert 33.5, broad jump 124, 3 cone 7.20, 20 yard shuttle 4.41 http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/marcus-davenport?id=2559817 B Chubb 6'4'' 269 40- 4.65, bench 23, vert 36, broad jump 121, 3 cone 7.37, 20 yard shuttle 4.41 http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/bradley-chubb?id=2560043 Pure numbers wise, they are all pretty much the same guy. Perry was stronger. Chubb and Davenport have a better 20 yard shuttle. Jumps/40s are all pretty much the same Landry 6'3', 252' 40- 4.64, bench 24, vert 36, broad jump 119, 3 cone 6.88, 20 yard shuttle 4.19 http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/harold-landry?id=2559923 Look at the quickness numbers. We need a rusher, not another collapse the pocket Elephant end (we have 3 quality DL and Perry that have that skill set.) We need guys who can get to the passer, doesn't matter how they get there. And Perry's 38.5" vert at 271 lbs is noticeably better than either guy. That's tremendously freakish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kepler Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Just now, AlexGreen#20 said: Bench press is worthless Worthless in this specific situation or overall as an indicator of strength? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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