Josh Allen

[Kiwibrown]

I would draft Josh Allen with...
i want to gauge the forums feel for JA

[paul-mac]

4th round.

 

My rationale is, I wouldn't touch such an inaccurate QB in round 1, and I split my QB grades into "franchise QB" (ie 1st rounder) and "developmental project" (ie 4th-5th at best). I don't really ever believe in giving 2nd-3rd round grades to QBs.

[JiffyJag]

Mid 2nd if I'm a team like, say, New England or maybe even Washington and I can let him sit for a few years and develop his game and have him as the heir apparent, though that's something that doesn't really happen anymore. He's Paxton Lynch 2.0. Will probably get overdrafted by a team needing a starter and get ruined early. He's got tons of raw talent and has unlimited potential but needs a lot of work. 

[Forge]

He's a high risk / reward first round prospect. I have no issues with a team taking him in the top 5. The talent is there. People act like he's a crazy project - I don't really see him that way. For me it all comes down to the accuracy. Can he be accurate enough to succeed at the next level. Would I take him in the top 5? Meh...I had a second on him last year, and he really didn't do anything to improve that. I get the need to reach for quarterbacks, so that alone would put him in the necessary top round even based on my grade. In this draft, where I don't truly love the top end talent in a lot of places, I understand the impetus for doing it in the top 5. 

[Heinz D.]

1st round.

The inaccuracy bothers me, but everything else is pretty solid. Most measurables are great too, with fantastic arm strength. 

[Iamcanadian]

Top 2 in this draft just behind Darnold!!!

[Chargers]

I'd take him, Top 5. I think he can be a way way better Jay Cutler.

[pnies20]

I think he's a top 10 prospect but I wouldn't take him as my first choice. He's too big of a boom/bust guy.

[VanS]

1st overall. 

Josh Allen is the #2 overall prospect in this class in my opinion after Saquon Barkley.  Thus, given the importance of the QB position over the RB position, I would take him 1st overall.

[goldfishwars]

A lot of the stuff on Allen is overblown either side of the debate, but this is what I wrote up on him (got him ranked 25th):-

Everything about him physically is about perfect, he’s a straight out the lab quarterback with not just a rare arm – perhaps even a generational arm without wanting to get into hyperbole. It's the kind of arm which creates space on the field and puts you at an immediate tactical advantage. He’s had a dream draft season, hitting every checkpoint in a process which is set-up for him to succeed and he's more than succeeded. From everything you hear about him, he's very smart and quick to learn and the film has enough flash points where you can point to those tools that get everyone excited.

Yet despite playing in an NFL friendly system, he’s not been good enough in areas that really matter:- decision making, footwork, throwing with anticipation, raising his game against tougher opposition, pocket presence, forcing plays, hitting his second/third reads with accuracy. Some of that stuff can be cleaned up with good coaching, some of it rarely (if ever) gets better in the pros. So if you expect him to become a well-rounded thrower at the next level, you've got to bank on him being somewhat of an anomaly or learn to live with the downside. Pointing to a poor supporting cast is fair, but that can only excuse him to a point because the counterpoints are obvious. Aren't good quarterbacks supposed to raise the play of those around him? Was he playing against superstar studded defenses every week in the Mountain West? His receivers might have been poor, but if you're looking at drop rate % to provide answers, you'll be disappointed because it was lower than every other top QB coming out this year.  

Landing on an unstable franchise could be particularly damaging to his development, but his trajectory is pointing upwards and he's a tantalizing physical project if the right team can get to him. 

[ET80]

I see exactly why teams want him so badly - he's got an electric set of tools that can make him a special player. But he's incredibly raw and unrefined. He needs to sit for a while and work with a QB coach for a few off-seasons before he gets a chance to compete for a starting job.

The boom factor is through the roof, but so is the bust factor.

[JaguarCrazy2832]

1 hour ago, EliteTexan80 said:

I see exactly why teams want him so badly - he's got an electric set of tools that can make him a special player. But he's incredibly raw and unrefined. He needs to sit for a while and work with a QB coach for a few off-seasons before he gets a chance to compete for a starting job.

The boom factor is through the roof, but so is the bust factor.

How many times do we have to hear this? Like i get the physical specimen stuff but dont way more of those types flop? Guys that have accuracy issues rarely improve on them in the pros when defenses are faster and more complex. 

 

ET I'm just referencing your tools comment not the other stuff. 

[Aztec Hammer]

All-Mountain West Conference Honourable  Mention.

56%

I’ll take the field against Josh Allen.

[BleedTheClock]

Man there are some big-time haters on here. Every QB prospect has flaws. Josh Allen is hated on because it's cool to hate him methinks. Everyone gets drafted because of their traits. Flaws are overlooked at every single position because nobody is perfect.

And a lot of these big-armed QB's that failed in the NFL came from spread systems, had long exaggerated deliveries, had issues reading a defense, and created a ton of turnovers. They also player with more talented players. Literally all of them. Because Wyoming is as bad of a D1 program as you'll find. People just don't want to like Josh Allen. They cite his completion percentage but don't take into context why it was so low. Accuracy isn't great on Allen, for sure. But it's not as bad as the numbers would lead people to believe. He doesn't get to take easy completions all game long on checkdowns and screens. He's driving the football down the field off of play action 90% of the time. Also, his WR's aren't ever open. He has the least talented WR group on the planet and he's constantly scanning the field frantically looking for someone to get free. For a dude that buys as much time as he does running around and extending plays, the fact that his WR's can't win in that amount of time is pathetic. If you put any of the other top 3 QB's at Wyoming I think the narrative would be similar on them as well. Context, people.

 

He's my #4 rated QB, but I'd be shocked if he fell out of the top 5. If I needed a QB, I'd have no problems taking him in the top 5. I wouldn't even throw something through the TV if my Browns took him #1 overall, although I do think Darnold is going to be better & safer.

[Da_Ducktator]

16 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said:

Josh Allen is hated on because it's cool to hate him methinks.

I'm not even a Josh Allen fan (comparatively to those who do like him), and I think the same. I think the main thing is the people that won't shut up about the completion percentage while never offering a hint of evidence that they watched tape and actually discuss what is flawed with him as a passer where isn't producing numbers. 

I like the kid in the same light I like Kizer talent-wise. Allen seems to have his head on straight compared to Kizer though and based on what I know and have seen, you aren't going to have to worry about Allen's work ethic. Him putting it all together though and overcoming his flaws (doesn't square up to targets when on the move, pure thrower at this point compared to passer who rarely shows touch on throws, front leg is stiff and not aimed towards intended target) is going to be tough though which is why I personally would have a hard time taking him in the 1st round. The games against P5 and his 3rd down numbers don't help out either.