Deadpulse Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, cddolphin said: That doesn't looking like a career year to you? I am really not being clear with my meaning. Sure, he did have a good year for him, but it was still in the bottom half of the league as a passer. People are talking about him and Gase as if they are going to be a match made in heaven and Cutler is going to be a top 15 player. The evidence isnt really there, and the fact that he had a career year while still ranking 19th statistically in the league supports my argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Farsendor1 said: This is so Smokin Jay. I think I have a 2nd favorite team now. Need to hear about the adventures of Smokin Jay in South Beach... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cddolphin Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 9 minutes ago, Deadpulse said: Sure, he did have a good year for him, but it was still in the bottom half of the league as a passer. People are talking about him and Gase as if they are going to be a match made in heaven and Cutler is going to be a top 15 player. The evidence isnt really there, and the fact that he had a career year while still ranking 19th statistically in the league supports my argument. Nobody is saying that, having gone through the thread. Even if they had, he was 16th in 2015 in passer-rating so that projection wouldn't be a stretch. The 2017 Dolphins have better weapons and a better OL than the 2015 Bears, I don't think an argument could be made otherwise. Your argument in this thread has been that his 2015 season was not a resurgent year despite it being a career year, which exactly fits the definition of a resurgency. Where other QBs ranked relative to Cutler is completely irrelevant when discussing an individual player's "resurgency". If people were making the claim he would be an insta-lock for top 10 stats this year because of the Gase connection, I would understand you wanting to compare him to other QBs in 2015. But nobody has said that. They have been comparing 2015 Cutler with Career Cutler, and pointed out the high-point he acheived with Gase and approved of the move as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Comparing a players play to other's at the position is ALWAYS relevant. It's the baseline of good play versus bad play. The baseline for good QB play in 2015 is set by that year and previous years play at QB. Did he make an improvement? Yes, clearly. Did he make a significant improvement that makes him a strong QB option? No, because he still wasnt competitive with the field. You point out that this was his career year, which is not a ringing endorsement, and that he has better weapons this year than in 2015. True, but he has had better weapons in the past and his career year came without them. A lot of that has to do with where his throws are going, which in 2015 was within 5 yards of the LOS at a significantly higher rate. This is what cut down on his INTs. He likely needs to set career highs in almost every statistical category to rank as a top 15 QB this season. I dont care who the coach or supporting cast is, but that IS a stretch for someone in the league as long as him, with questionable motivation, and coming off a serious shoulder surgery. I don't think the jump between him and Moore is actually that big, and I don't think the Phins made the right move giving him 10.5 mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 I always liked Cutler. Thought he had a bad rap, especially among other Packers fans. I'll be rooting for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankWilliams Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Lol, apart from one or two people here, seems like everyone is positive about this move and saying "Cutler got a bad rap" or "I liked Cutler more than most" Where were you all when he was a chicago bear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 8 hours ago, TankWilliams said: Lol, apart from one or two people here, seems like everyone is positive about this move and saying "Cutler got a bad rap" or "I liked Cutler more than most" Where were you all when he was a chicago bear? Everybody likes a good comeback story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 10 hours ago, TankWilliams said: Lol, apart from one or two people here, seems like everyone is positive about this move and saying "Cutler got a bad rap" or "I liked Cutler more than most" Where were you all when he was a chicago bear? I'm following for the lulz. This being said - it's different circumstances with this development. In Chicago, he was contracted out as a starter, with expectations to play as one of the top 15 QBs in the NFL, given the length of his contract and overall dollar. In this respect, he's failed for the most part. In Miami, he's a safety net that has to be engaged, given an injury. If he plays fairly well (at least as well as Tannehill you who isn't exactly in the top 10 discussion) then he's suddenly worthy of the expectations put before him. If he exceeds the "Tannehill line" then it's a sharp move. Ultimately it's for the Smokin Jay and the lulz that follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coors Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Over/Under on 8 wins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csonka Trucks Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, coors said: Over/Under on 8 wins? Over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 26 minutes ago, coors said: Over/Under on 8 wins? 8 wins would be best case IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 10 minutes ago, Deadpulse said: 8 wins would be best case IMO I was going to argue this, but pulling the NFC South and AFC West, along with 2 Pats games, is pretty rough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 39 minutes ago, coors said: Over/Under on 8 wins? Predicted 9-7 with Tannehill. Now I think we go 8-8 with Cutler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coors Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 3 hours ago, TheKillerNacho said: Predicted 9-7 with Tannehill. Now I think we go 8-8 with Cutler. Pretty much what I was thinking. 7-8 wins this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 On 8/8/2017 at 9:47 PM, TankWilliams said: Lol, apart from one or two people here, seems like everyone is positive about this move and saying "Cutler got a bad rap" or "I liked Cutler more than most" Where were you all when he was a chicago bear? If the Dolphins played the AFC South instead of the AFC West this year, I'd say they could get a wildcard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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