Consensus Mock II - 17. LA Chargers

[goldfishwars]

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Pre combine mock details can be found here:-

 

Draft Order

1.Cleveland Browns - Sam Darnold [ QB ] USC

2.New York Giants - Josh Rosen [ QB ] UCLA

3.New York Jets (From Indianapolis) - Baker Mayfield [ QB] Oklahoma

4.Cleveland Browns (From Houston) - Saquon Barkley [ RB ] Penn St.

5.Denver Broncos - Quenton Nelson [OG] Notre Dame

6.Indianapolis Colts (From NY Jets) - Bradley Chubb [ EDGE ] NC State

7.Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Derwin James [ S ] Florida St.

8.Chicago Bears - Minkah Fitzpatrick [ S ] Alabama

9.San Francisco 49ers - Tremaine Edmunds [ LB ] Va. Tech

10.Oakland Raiders - Denzel Ward [ CB ] Ohio St.

11.Miami Dolphins - Roquan Smith [ LB ] Georgia

12.Buffalo Bills - Josh Allen [ QB ] Wyoming

13.Washington Redskins - Vita Vea [ DT ] Washington

14.Green Bay Packers - Harold Landry [ EDGE ] Boston College

15.Arizona Cardinals - Lamar Jackson [ QB ] Louisville

16.Baltimore Ravens - Calvin Ridley [ WR ] Alabama

17.Los Angeles Chargers18.Seattle Seahawks

19.Dallas Cowboys

20.Detroit Lions

21.Cincinnati Bengals (From Buffalo )

22.Buffalo Bills

23.New England Patriots (From LA Rams)

24.Carolina Panthers

25.Tennessee Titans

26.Atlanta Falcons

27.New Orleans Saints

28.Pittsburgh Steelers

29.Jacksonville Jaguars

30.Minnesota Vikings

31.New England Patriots

32.Philadelphia Eagles

[DingoLadd]

I'd be shocked if the chargers didn't go defense in round 1 given the talent available and our needs overall, I'd be fine with any interior lineman basically but another CB to pair with Hayward given Verett's injury history would be fine as well.

[reamer]

Taven Bryan would be dynamite rushing between Bosa and Ingram.

[game3525]

Rashaan Evans 

[Zappaz]

I gotta go Evans, anything to get Pullard off the field.

From there, I'm torn between a DT (Hurst or Payne) or OT (Wynn or McGlinchey).

[JJ6]

LVE then Payne

[Dr LBC]

I voted the way I'd expect Telesco to be looking (including his normal tendencies and preferences) which was Evans then LVE.  He's never prioritized DT in the draft in his tenure as GM and the Chargers have needed a long-time solution at NT the entire time he's been GM; the Liuget suspension isn't as impactful as people want to think it is, since Darius Philon was already taking 50-ish percent of Liuget's snaps from him last season anyway, they'll have no issue slot him in as the starter.

That said, the clear area of improving the biggest weakness in the previous season's team (run defense), as per usual, wasn't addressed in free agency by Telesco (meaning he has planned all along to address it early in the draft, per usual).  So linebacker is pretty clearly what he's targeting.  And given that he has historically valued multi-year starters on winning programs, that would lead me to believe he'd value Evans over VanderEsch (my own big board would have LVE ahead, but I can understand why TT would have Evans above LVE).

[Profound23]

I picked Davenport just because I want to see Bosa, Davenport, and Ingram all together. 

[Soko]

18 hours ago, DingoLadd said:

I'd be shocked if the chargers didn't go defense in round 1 given the talent available and our needs overall, I'd be fine with any interior lineman basically but another CB to pair with Hayward given Verett's injury history would be fine as well.

Another CB? 

Trevor Williams and Desmond King aren’t enough behind Hayward?

[game3525]

3 hours ago, Yin-Yang said:

Another CB? 

Trevor Williams and Desmond King aren’t enough behind Hayward?

Yeah, I don't see CB in the first round at all. They have a ton of depth at the position already. 

I am 90% sure the pick is going to be a LB. They may have one of the worst ILB groups in the league and they did nothing to address it in free agency.

[Xenos]

On 4/9/2018 at 3:19 PM, The LBC said:

I voted the way I'd expect Telesco to be looking (including his normal tendencies and preferences) which was Evans then LVE.  He's never prioritized DT in the draft in his tenure as GM and the Chargers have needed a long-time solution at NT the entire time he's been GM; the Liuget suspension isn't as impactful as people want to think it is, since Darius Philon was already taking 50-ish percent of Liuget's snaps from him last season anyway, they'll have no issue slot him in as the starter.

That said, the clear area of improving the biggest weakness in the previous season's team (run defense), as per usual, wasn't addressed in free agency by Telesco (meaning he has planned all along to address it early in the draft, per usual).  So linebacker is pretty clearly what he's targeting.  And given that he has historically valued multi-year starters on winning programs, that would lead me to believe he'd value Evans over VanderEsch (my own big board would have LVE ahead, but I can understand why TT would have Evans above LVE).

I didn't see DT picked up in free agency either. Of course, you are probably right given the fact that TT has drafted linebackers in the first three rounds in the past vs no DT at all. I supposed if we somehow manage to sign Jonathan Hankins, it would make me feel better. Though I still think if a quality OT drops like McGlinchey, he will be the pick instead.

[Duffman57]

On 4/9/2018 at 6:19 PM, The LBC said:

I voted the way I'd expect Telesco to be looking (including his normal tendencies and preferences) which was Evans then LVE.  He's never prioritized DT in the draft in his tenure as GM and the Chargers have needed a long-time solution at NT the entire time he's been GM; the Liuget suspension isn't as impactful as people want to think it is, since Darius Philon was already taking 50-ish percent of Liuget's snaps from him last season anyway, they'll have no issue slot him in as the starter.

That said, the clear area of improving the biggest weakness in the previous season's team (run defense), as per usual, wasn't addressed in free agency by Telesco (meaning he has planned all along to address it early in the draft, per usual).  So linebacker is pretty clearly what he's targeting.  And given that he has historically valued multi-year starters on winning programs, that would lead me to believe he'd value Evans over VanderEsch (my own big board would have LVE ahead, but I can understand why TT would have Evans above LVE).

See I'm not a huge fan of this way of thinking.  I think people are too quick to say that TT doesn't value ___ position because he hasn't taken one highly in the draft yet.  But realistically, when he's had holes there, he's generally filled them with veterans (Mebane, Boston etc), or someone has emerged as a starter from a cheap deal/low pick/UDFA (Addae, Philon etc).  Sometimes you have to neglect some positions in order to fill holes at more important ones (signing Ingram, Hayward, over signing a S/NT/LB both this year and last year).  I think it's also partially what coaches look for.  You could say the same thing about OG's until Meyer came around, who's scheme is HEAVILY dependent on OG play.  With Gus' scheme being pretty dependent on a player that can play single high FS, that could shift Telesco's draft habits for sure.

That said, I'm interested to see what happens.  From what I've seen, I think Jerome Baker is EXACTLY what they want at LB (mimicking the way our coaches used Deion Jones in ATL and Telvin for in Jax).  INstincts, mentality and athleticism are all there, and he'd be perfect to pair with Perryman, as they can both shift around and play both Will and Mike depending on what they want from that position.  It'll also be interesting to see how highly they value the Sam LB/Otto position, as Emanuel only played about 25% of the snaps on defense last year, and is likely going to be taken off the field for a pass rusher unless we get a very good pass rusher at that spot (which is a role Evans may fit well into).  But historically both coaches have picked Sam LB's later on (De'Vondre Campbell, who splits time between Will and Sam depending on the package, specifically what they do with Vic Beasley, as he played both the LEO and Sam under Smith, KJ Wright, and then Bradley has had Skuta and Emanuel there too).  I'm not sure it's a position they value highly enough to take a guy there in round one, but we'll see.  I think it's a position they may feel as though they can find good players at later in the draft.