SteelKing728 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 18 hours ago, Ozzy said: O'Neill on the other end gave up multiple sacks Don't want the Vikings OL pick in the draft to be one of these jobs... PS ....one of the funniest commercials ever! I find that nuts. Prior to this season he only gave up 2 (one vs GB in Minnesota 2019, and one in the playoffs game vs SF). Hopefully he bounces back this season. He's worth extending I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 1 hour ago, SteelKing728 said: I find that nuts. Prior to this season he only gave up 2 (one vs GB in Minnesota 2019, and one in the playoffs game vs SF). Hopefully he bounces back this season. He's worth extending I think. Clearly he is worth extending, is arguably the best young OL on the roster no question. Still was kind of disappointed in his pass pro this season, not sure how many sacks he gave up but seemed like a lot more than usual. Packers just converted $11 mil roster bonus into signing bonus for Bakhtiari, clearing $8.3 mil in cap space. They are -$13 mil cap space for next year before this move, hopefully the Vikings can do similar things to free up some money. I still think they should toy with Anthony Barr being more of a DE possibly or have a more versatile front that changes. Or just go two LBs with Kendricks and Barr only but then who is the other safety would be a massive question. Not sure I would trust Gladney, Hughes and Dantzler at CB because Hughes probably will get hurt and so will Dantzler. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sad People Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 (edited) Just a random though but could Orlando Brown Jr play for us? Does he fit our scheme or no? Not nearly as knowledgeable as others but seems like he wants out we need help In the trenches bad. Edited February 14, 2021 by mattyice0401 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 10 minutes ago, mattyice0401 said: Just a random though but could Orlando Brown Jr play for us? Does he fit our scheme or no? Not nearly as knowledgeable as others but seems like he wants out we need help In the trenches bad. With the Vikings currently obsession with taking athletic offensive lineman only, they would not even think of taking Orlando Brown Jr and obviously could not come close to paying him either. He will get paid a few mil this next season but the years previous he only got about 1.8 mil combined for two seasons where he was a Pro Bowl player both years. If the Ravens do not pay him they are idiots, especially since he is so key to that historically dominant run game. Daniel Jeremiah's top 50 players does not include.... Alex Leatherwood OG/OT Alabama Wyatt Davis OG Ohio State Jevon Holland S Oregon Rashod Bateman WR Minnesota Carlos Basham DE Wake Forest Shaun Wade CB Ohio State Josh Myers C Ohio State Richard LeCounte III S Georgia Rondale Moore WR Purdue Jaylen Twyman DT Pitt KJ Britt ILB Auburn Jackson Carman OT/OG Clemson Baron Browning Ohio State SR ILB/OLB Quincy Roche Miami FL SR DE Joseph Ossai OLB/DE Texas Creed Humphrey C Oklahoma Tyson Campbell CB Georgia Spencer Brown OT Northern Iowa Jay Tufele DT USC Kind of think he is full of it with some of these guys left off the top 50 which goes into the middle part of the 2nd round. Would be great for the Vikings those if all these guys fall in the draft. Still do not get the Leatherwood dislike, what because he does not look like hercules off the bus? Yeah again Orlando Brown Jr people made fun of with his combine work and he is a two time Pro Bowler in three seasons in the NFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeydudemanG Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 7 hours ago, Ozzy said: With the Vikings currently obsession with taking athletic offensive lineman only, they would not even think of taking Orlando Brown Jr and obviously could not come close to paying him either. He will get paid a few mil this next season but the years previous he only got about 1.8 mil combined for two seasons where he was a Pro Bowl player both years. If the Ravens do not pay him they are idiots, especially since he is so key to that historically dominant run game. Daniel Jeremiah's top 50 players does not include.... Alex Leatherwood OG/OT Alabama Wyatt Davis OG Ohio State Jevon Holland S Oregon Rashod Bateman WR Minnesota Carlos Basham DE Wake Forest Shaun Wade CB Ohio State Josh Myers C Ohio State Richard LeCounte III S Georgia Rondale Moore WR Purdue Jaylen Twyman DT Pitt KJ Britt ILB Auburn Jackson Carman OT/OG Clemson Baron Browning Ohio State SR ILB/OLB Quincy Roche Miami FL SR DE Joseph Ossai OLB/DE Texas Creed Humphrey C Oklahoma Tyson Campbell CB Georgia Spencer Brown OT Northern Iowa Jay Tufele DT USC Kind of think he is full of it with some of these guys left off the top 50 which goes into the middle part of the 2nd round. Would be great for the Vikings those if all these guys fall in the draft. Still do not get the Leatherwood dislike, what because he does not look like hercules off the bus? Yeah again Orlando Brown Jr people made fun of with his combine work and he is a two time Pro Bowler in three seasons in the NFL. I would love to trade back in the first and trade up in the 3rd to get 3 or 4 of those guys. It's seems like that's a worse case scenario situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Just now, HeydudemanG said: I would love to trade back in the first and trade up in the 3rd to get 3 or 4 of those guys. It's seems like that's a worse case scenario situation. I don't really see that happening, of course everyone would love to trade down in the 1st but that takes a team moving up to get a guy and what guy would that be? Trey Lance is the obvious but even he should be gone to Atlanta or more likely Carolina or the 49ers. Rashawn Slater maybe but he should be long gone to the Chargers or Dallas before the Vikings pick and would be in play for the Vikings if he falls to them. Maybe Kyle Pitts if he falls but doubt he would make it past Dallas or the Chargers but he is also in play for the Vikings. Rousseau maybe but the Vikings would be in play for getting him possibly again. So Slater, Rousseau or Pitts if they fall the Vikings would be potentially drafting any of those dudes, same could be said for Trey Lance. If he fell sure I am not a huge fan of it but would be hard to pass a QB for the future who can sit multiple years and learn. So trading down to get more draft picks is probably not happening. Trading up into the 2nd is not that easy either with what little the Vikings have unless they plan to trade Rudolph or Reiff or someone. So again they better hope all these dudes fall like some say, because if not they better make all the picks they have stick and kill it in the 3rd and 4th round. Currently I have the Vikings getting these guys having Rousseau to the Chargers and Slater to Dallas and Lance to the 49ers. (1) 14 Vikings: Alex Leatherwood Alabama SR OG/OT (3) 79 Vikings: Elerson Smith Northern Iowa SR DE (3) 91 Vikings (From Ravens): Jerome Johnson Indiana RS SR DT (4) 110 Vikings: Robert Hainsey Notre Dame SR OG/OT (4) 116 Vikings (from Chicago): Jamar Johnson Indiana JR S (4) 125 Vikings (from Buffalo): Jonathan Adams Jr Arkansas State SR WR (5)141 Vikings: Paddy Fisher Northwestern RS SR ILB (5) 155 Vikings (From Jacksonville): Khalil Herbert Virginia Tech RS SR RB (6) 175 Vikings: Jose Borregales Miami FL RS SR K (7)206 Vikings: Greg Eisworth Iowa State RS SR S That is assuming Leatherwood can play guard for a year or two while Reiff is still on the roster then move him to OT later on if need be. Would be fine with Darrisaw also or Vera-Tucker as well but would not mind Darrisaw at OT but would not trust Vera-Tucker there at OT in the future. Might need to pick a safety higher but I like Jamar Johnson and is range and coverage skills. But Harris is probably gone so that is a must as well, Eisworth could be a good get late because his covearge is so so but is tough as can be. Hainsey has played OT and OG at Notre Dame and C at the Senior bowl so would love that versatility and Elerson Smith could be a star DE and is a local kid and Jerome Johnson has pass rushing upside at DT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Trent Williams got paid less than Riley Reiff did last season. Reiff had a good year, best of any OL on the team but Trent Williams was a Pro Bowler and clearly is on another level than Reiff. That kind of pisses one off knowing Reiff gets as much as one of the best LTs in the game. Sure one of those years in Washington he got $15 mil but others only $11 or $10 mil a year. Any way the Vikings could get Trent Williams for 2-3 years at that price range? I would get rid of Reiff in a second for that one. Crazy how money and contracts do not always line up in terms of production and what a player does. Key example would be KC and some of the ridiculous price points those guys are at on the OL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 5 hours ago, Ozzy said: Trent Williams got paid less than Riley Reiff did last season. Reiff had a good year, best of any OL on the team but Trent Williams was a Pro Bowler and clearly is on another level than Reiff. That kind of pisses one off knowing Reiff gets as much as one of the best LTs in the game. Sure one of those years in Washington he got $15 mil but others only $11 or $10 mil a year. Any way the Vikings could get Trent Williams for 2-3 years at that price range? I would get rid of Reiff in a second for that one. Crazy how money and contracts do not always line up in terms of production and what a player does. Key example would be KC and some of the ridiculous price points those guys are at on the OL. Williams was under contract and wanted out of Washington. Likely didn't make an issue out of his contract because he didn't want to be in DC. He'll get paid in Free Agency by a team with far more cap space than us. But if they could make it work, I'd be ecstatic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Here are the highest paid LTs in the NFL. According to the average Trent makes more but again last season alone Reiff made just a bit more than he did. Shocking Tunsil gets that much but he deserves it, real shock would be Bolles. Not sure he is that good. Obviously Bakhtiari deserves it, as does Stanley and Tunsil and Lewan. Not sure DJ Humphries deserves that amount or Solder with his injuries he has not played up to that contract. Age Total Value Average/y Total guar Fully guar Free agency David Bakhtiari Packers 30 $92,000,000 $23,000,000 $30,000,000 $30,000,000 2025 UFA Laremy Tunsil Texans 27 $66,000,000 $22,000,000 $50,000,000 $40,000,000 2024 UFA Ronnie Stanley Ravens 27 $98,750,000 $19,750,000 $70,866,000 $64,116,000 2026 UFA Garett Bolles Broncos 29 $68,000,000 $17,000,000 $40,000,000 $21,000,000 2025 UFA Taylor Lewan Titans 30 $80,000,000 $16,000,000 $50,000,000 $34,000,000 2024 UFA Nate Solder Giants 33 $62,000,000 $15,500,000 $34,800,000 $34,800,000 2023 UFA Taylor Decker Lions 27 $59,650,000 $14,912,500 $37,500,000 $29,000,000 2025 Void D.J. Humphries Cardinals 28 $44,250,000 $14,750,000 $29,000,000 $29,000,000 2023 UFA Dion Dawkins Bills 27 $58,300,000 $14,575,000 $32,500,000 $29,500,441 2025 UFA Jake Matthews Falcons 29 $72,500,000 $14,500,000 $41,350,000 $25,946,000 2024 UFA Donovan Smith Buccaneers 28 $41,250,000 $13,750,000 $27,000,000 $27,000,000 2022 UFA Russell Okung Panthers 33 $53,000,000 $13,250,000 $25,000,000 $25,000,000 2021 UFA Trent Williams 49ers 33 $66,000,000 $13,200,000 $41,250,000 $30,000,000 2021 UFA Terron Armstead Saints 30 $65,000,000 $13,000,000 $38,000,000 $20,880,000 2022 Void Tyron Smith Cowboys 31 $97,600,000 $12,200,000 $40,000,000 $22,118,013 2024 Void Eric Fisher Chiefs 30 $48,000,000 $12,000,000 $40,000,000 $22,000,000 2022 UFA Duane Brown Seahawks 36 $34,500,000 $11,500,000 $16,000,000 $14,250,000 2022 UFA Andrew Whitworth Rams 40 $30,000,077 $10,000,026 $12,500,000 $12,500,000 2023 UFA Charles Leno Jr. Bears 30 $37,000,000 $9,250,000 $18,000,000 $13,697,000 2022 Void Riley Reiff Vikings 33 $17,750,000 $8,875,000 $5,900,000 $5,900,000 2022 UFA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 There's a reason why Trent Williams didn't want to come to Minnesota a year ago. That likely hasn't changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted February 22, 2021 Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 47 minutes ago, swede700 said: There's a reason why Trent Williams didn't want to come to Minnesota a year ago. That likely hasn't changed. I’m not sure that’s entirely accurate. He just wanted to go to San Francisco with Kyle Shanahan, more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/02/22/isaiah-wilson-claims-hes-done-with-football-as-a-titan/ I'd throw one of our 4th round picks at Tennessee and see if we can reclaim his career. Maybe this would allow them to kick Reiff in to Guard like they discussed last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpMc Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Hard pass from me, I'd rather spend the pick on a kicker... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, RpMc said: Hard pass from me, I'd rather spend the pick on a kicker... 👆What he said. You can fix bad technique, you can fix a knucklehead, you may even be able to fix a reoccurring injury. But you can’t fix lazy. Edited February 23, 2021 by SemperFeist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Some guys need a change of scenery to realize the opportunity they have. This team needs to get better in the trenches, and if they could flip a 4th for a guy with Wilson's talent and upside, it gives them more flexibility with their 1st and 3rd round picks. If it doesn't work out, they're out a 4th round pick. Not a guaranteed starter anyway. If he is a distraction, he's an easy cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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