Woz Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Just now, MKnight82 said: I've been saying this for 10 pages in this thread, no one will listen. Just coming at it from a different perspective. You are not alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsin2013 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Or trade John Wall and have plenty of space to rebuild... and a fresh set of knees. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MKnight82 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 40 minutes ago, Woz said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Woz said: Here's the problem: in 2019, they only have four players on the roster (Beal, Mahinmi, Porter, and Wall) and two more they can keep with qualifying offers (Oubre and Satoransky). Those six players in 2019 would total ~ $123.2M in cap space (assuming I did the math right ... NBA's cap calculations are weird). They don't really have the space to keep Morris at that point; heck, they don't really have much space to keep anyone beyond vet min players or draft picks. So, they desperately need to hit on all of their draft picks in 2018 and 2019 to have a fighting chance at assembling a functioning roster in 2020 and beyond. It's a soft cap. The precise response to the concern about having "space" to keep Morris is a long and complicated one -- but the bottom line is that you can exceed the cap to resign your own players. So it doesn't really matter that they won't have "cap space" when it comes to retaining Morris, because they'll have his Bird rights, which allow them to give him anything up to his max salary. Regardless of whether they are (or would be put) over the cap. The only restraint on re-signing him would be their willingness to increase their luxury tax bill. Which is a legitimate restraint, but not a hard and fast one. They will also have use of certain other exception that can allow them to add outside free agents. This certainly won't allow them to add any star players, but would give them some flexibility to add a bench player or two. Possibly even a marginal starter if they're . Your conclusion that they need to hit on some draft picks is an accurate one -- because they need to add players (and athleticism) to their existing group and they will be limited in their ability to fill holes through free agency -- but the situation is not nearly as dire as your post suggests it is. Particularly since the NBA, especially in the playoffs, is much more about the top players on your roster than the 7 hours ago, MKnight82 said: Considering they were 24-26 before Wall got hurt, they didn't see much difference then. Oh come on. He was clearly hurt long before he went out for surgery. He sat out 11 of the first 27 games while he was (a) trying to push through it and then (b) hoping that rest would be enough. The comparison between "Wizards without John Wall" and "Wizards with hobbled John Wall" isn't a very meaningful one. But just so it's entirely clear. despite the fact that he was playing hurt, the Wizards were still 21-16 (47 win pace) in the games Wall played prior to his surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Just now, e16bball said: It's a soft cap. The precise response to the concern about having "space" to keep Morris is a long and complicated one -- but the bottom line is that you can exceed the cap to resign your own players. So it doesn't really matter that they won't have "cap space" when it comes to retaining Morris, because they'll have his Bird rights, which allow them to give him anything up to his max salary. Regardless of whether they are (or would be put) over the cap. The only restraint on re-signing him would be their willingness to increase their luxury tax bill. Which is a legitimate restraint, but not a hard and fast one. They will also have use of certain other exception that can allow them to add outside free agents. This certainly won't allow them to add any star players, but would give them some flexibility to add a bench player or two. Possibly even a marginal starter if they're . Your conclusion that they need to hit on some draft picks is an accurate one -- because they need to add players (and athleticism) to their existing group and they will be limited in their ability to fill holes through free agency -- but the situation is not nearly as dire as your post suggests it is. Particularly since the NBA, especially in the playoffs, is much more about the top players on your roster than the Fair enough. However, can they really entertain paying a max contract to a fourth player? There comes a point where the luxury tax becomes too onerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, e16bball said: It's a soft cap. The precise response to the concern about having "space" to keep Morris is a long and complicated one -- but the bottom line is that you can exceed the cap to resign your own players. So it doesn't really matter that they won't have "cap space" when it comes to retaining Morris, because they'll have his Bird rights, which allow them to give him anything up to his max salary. Regardless of whether they are (or would be put) over the cap. The only restraint on re-signing him would be their willingness to increase their luxury tax bill. Which is a legitimate restraint, but not a hard and fast one. Its only a soft cap for retaining your own players. How will the Wizards get better? The Wizards in the 2019-2020 season will have only 4 players still signed to the roster (for now) counting $107 mil against the cap. The 2019 NBA salary cap is projected to be $108 mil. You cannot sign players in FA without things like midlevel exceptions by going over the salary cap. Now if they move Ian Mahinmi ($15.45 mil) without taking on salary they'd gain a ton of space, but that's assuming they don't add anyone in the 2018-2019 season to their cap. Plus again, then they'd be down to 3 players on the roster. Really the only thing they can do in their capped out situation is: A. Retain their own players and pray they develop more (rather unlikely considering Wall and Beal are already All Stars). B. Trade for talent (you can trade for players and go over the salary cap to a point). But what do they have to trade? C. Draft talent. D. Blow it up and start over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 20 minutes ago, e16bball said: Your conclusion that they need to hit on some draft picks is an accurate one -- because they need to add players (and athleticism) to their existing group and they will be limited in their ability to fill holes through free agency -- but the situation is not nearly as dire as your post suggests it is. Particularly since the NBA, especially in the playoffs, is much more about the top players on your roster than the But the Wizards top players haven't gotten it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsin2013 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Boswell's thoughs on John Wall shooting... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2018/04/16/boswell-john-wall-needs-to-shoot-the-ball-a-whole-lot-less/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ba0cad9caca3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 29 minutes ago, Skinsin2013 said: Boswell's thoughs on John Wall's shooting... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2018/04/16/boswell-john-wall-needs-to-shoot-the-ball-a-whole-lot-less/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ba0cad9caca3 Grammar is important. Momentarily thought another DC sports star was murdered. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsin2013 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Think I meant to add "the ball." Either would have sufficed. Thankfully John is still with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A TRAIN 89 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 This team is crap. Blow it up soon before its too late. So many bloated contracts with guys who either don't play with effort and energy or just lack overall talent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsin2013 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 On 4/12/2018 at 9:08 PM, Skinsin2013 said: The Raps series will boil down to our ability to guard the perimeter... something our guards and center are not good at... and bench play... the Raps have a deep bench. And that isn't happening. Guys continuously work toward the middle and leave shooters open on the perimeter. Then again, if our guards didn't look like folding chairs on defense, the Raps wouldn't be in the middle of the court kicking out. Wiz working their butts off on offense but being picked apart on defense. Morris is, and will always be, a slug. Wall 3 assists and 2 turnover. Lawson, fresh off his stint in Kazakhstan, 8 assists and 1 turnover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 This just in the wizards defense sucks, in case you didn’t know. 76 pts given up in the 1st wha? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 On 4/16/2018 at 5:41 PM, MKnight82 said: Its only a soft cap for retaining your own players. How will the Wizards get better? The Wizards in the 2019-2020 season will have only 4 players still signed to the roster (for now) counting $107 mil against the cap. The 2019 NBA salary cap is projected to be $108 mil. You cannot sign players in FA without things like midlevel exceptions by going over the salary cap. Now if they move Ian Mahinmi ($15.45 mil) without taking on salary they'd gain a ton of space, but that's assuming they don't add anyone in the 2018-2019 season to their cap. Plus again, then they'd be down to 3 players on the roster. Really the only thing they can do in their capped out situation is: A. Retain their own players and pray they develop more (rather unlikely considering Wall and Beal are already All Stars). B. Trade for talent (you can trade for players and go over the salary cap to a point). But what do they have to trade? C. Draft talent. D. Blow it up and start over. You can’t trade a player in the nba w/o trade a similar salary back in return. C will happen, hopefully. I don’t see D happening. I don’t think Ted agrees to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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