turtle28 Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 6 hours ago, MikeT14 said: What report? Sounds like BS Don’t know, I’m just reporting the report! Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 6 hours ago, MKnight82 said: Worked for OKC and Paul George True, but reports are that both Kawhai and DeRozan are not happy with the trade. Kawhai doesn’t want to go to Toronto and DeRozan is telling everyone that Toronto just told him a few weeks ago that they wouldn’t trade him and that they’re back basically stabbers/liars. This seems like a different situation than with George, but it’s true you just never know. Toronto can offer Kawhai a 5 year deal next year worth $50 million more than any other team can. So, that could factor into his free agency decision next July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezy Fanatic Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 DeMar Derozan is a lucky man to get to play with a budding superstar like Lonnie Walker IV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted July 19, 2018 Author Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) What’s crazy to me is that the Spurs had to throw in Danny Green along with Kawhai Leonard. That’s a heck of a trade for Toronto. They got a starting SG /SF (a poor man’s Otto Porter) and a huge upgrade and super star at SF when they added Kawhai. I think they’re the team to beat in the Eastern Conference. It seems like it’s between them and Boston. Edited July 19, 2018 by turtle28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 I think Danny Green was just salary filler. He’s a $10M expiring contract, which is the primary value he probably provided to the Raptors in the deal. He’s not very good anymore. Just a 35.7% 3pt shooter over the last 3 seasons, a big drop from how well he used to shoot it, and that’s the only value he offers on offense. His defensive numbers are still relatively good, but how much of that is Pop’s defensive system inflating his performance? And he’s 31, so the consistent 3-year decline in his overall production seems like a trend that’s likely to continue. In terms of the secondary exchange, I actually value Poeltl a good deal more highly than Green. I thought Poeltl was pretty damn tough against us in the playoffs, and his season numbers seem to bear that out. And he’s only 23 and still on a rookie contract. I think that’s a very underrated addition for San Antonio, and I bet it was a pretty big part of their decision to take this deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted July 19, 2018 Author Share Posted July 19, 2018 34 minutes ago, e16bball said: I think Danny Green was just salary filler. He’s a $10M expiring contract, which is the primary value he probably provided to the Raptors in the deal. He’s not very good anymore. Just a 35.7% 3pt shooter over the last 3 seasons, a big drop from how well he used to shoot it, and that’s the only value he offers on offense. His defensive numbers are still relatively good, but how much of that is Pop’s defensive system inflating his performance? And he’s 31, so the consistent 3-year decline in his overall production seems like a trend that’s likely to continue. In terms of the secondary exchange, I actually value Poeltl a good deal more highly than Green. I thought Poeltl was pretty damn tough against us in the playoffs, and his season numbers seem to bear that out. And he’s only 23 and still on a rookie contract. I think that’s a very underrated addition for San Antonio, and I bet it was a pretty big part of their decision to take this deal. That’s true, I definitely remember wanting one of the back up bigs the Raptors had during they playoff series. They all seemed to outperform our guys except Mike Scott. Of course we added Jeff Green and Dwight Howard but it remains to be seen what they do for us. I think they will be good additions, but we can’t know that for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 All the guys on ESPN seem to be all hyped up about the Raptors too, so maybe I’m just missing the boat here. But I just don’t see it. As always, their depth will probably make them a tough regular season team. They’ll win a lot of games by virtue of their ability to wear teams down and keep their guys fresh. But that’s not winning ballgames in the postseason, so I’m not real moved by it. Lowry is a tough, really good player — but he turns 33 in the middle of next season and he’s already showing signs of decline. For small guards like him, the cliff often comes very quickly. They don’t have size/length to use as a weapon to cover up their declining quickness. But aside from Kawhi, he’s the only player they have who remotely approaches the elite/impact level. The rest of the starting lineup (Anunoby, Ibaka, Valanciunas) is decent enough I guess, but those are all bit players. And they’ve still got a good, deep bench — but none of them look like guys who could break out and emerge as excellent starters. Which leaves Kawhi. If they get the fully healthy, fully engaged 2015 and 2016 version — then maybe they’re a force to be reckoned with. At his best, he’s a superstar. But what makes us so sure they get that? He didn’t want to play, or risk further injury, for the team and teammates he spent his whole career with and won a title with — but we think he’s gonna be fully motivated to go all out on a team that he’s just joining, probably just for a year, before he goes out to chase that FA bag? Honestly, I think the Raptors are caught in between right now. This feels like an in-between move, just like the Kyrie trade did for Cleveland. It feels like they’re trying to take a shot to get over the top by shaking things up — but also leaving open the possibility of hitting that big bright red flashing *RESET* button if it goes sideways. They currently have the second highest payroll in the NBA, but by moving out Derozan’s contract for expiring deals in Leonard and Green, they could be down to about $18M in expected committed money by the summer of 2020. In essence, if the Kawhi thing doesn’t work out, they’re positioned to slide right into full tank mode. Just as the Cavs tried to set themselves up with Lebron. And I don’t think things like that usually work out well — Redskins fans know better than anybody how it falls apart from a team standpoint when everybody knows your “star” player has one foot out the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted July 19, 2018 Author Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 hours ago, e16bball said: All the guys on ESPN seem to be all hyped up about the Raptors too, so maybe I’m just missing the boat here. But I just don’t see it. As always, their depth will probably make them a tough regular season team. They’ll win a lot of games by virtue of their ability to wear teams down and keep their guys fresh. But that’s not winning ballgames in the postseason, so I’m not real moved by it. Lowry is a tough, really good player — but he turns 33 in the middle of next season and he’s already showing signs of decline. For small guards like him, the cliff often comes very quickly. They don’t have size/length to use as a weapon to cover up their declining quickness. But aside from Kawhi, he’s the only player they have who remotely approaches the elite/impact level. The rest of the starting lineup (Anunoby, Ibaka, Valanciunas) is decent enough I guess, but those are all bit players. And they’ve still got a good, deep bench — but none of them look like guys who could break out and emerge as excellent starters. Which leaves Kawhi. If they get the fully healthy, fully engaged 2015 and 2016 version — then maybe they’re a force to be reckoned with. At his best, he’s a superstar. But what makes us so sure they get that? He didn’t want to play, or risk further injury, for the team and teammates he spent his whole career with and won a title with — but we think he’s gonna be fully motivated to go all out on a team that he’s just joining, probably just for a year, before he goes out to chase that FA bag? Honestly, I think the Raptors are caught in between right now. This feels like an in-between move, just like the Kyrie trade did for Cleveland. It feels like they’re trying to take a shot to get over the top by shaking things up — but also leaving open the possibility of hitting that big bright red flashing *RESET* button if it goes sideways. They currently have the second highest payroll in the NBA, but by moving out Derozan’s contract for expiring deals in Leonard and Green, they could be down to about $18M in expected committed money by the summer of 2020. In essence, if the Kawhi thing doesn’t work out, they’re positioned to slide right into full tank mode. Just as the Cavs tried to set themselves up with Lebron. And I don’t think things like that usually work out well — Redskins fans know better than anybody how it falls apart from a team standpoint when everybody knows your “star” player has one foot out the door. It’s because of Kawhai. If he comes in focused and wanting to play “BIG IF,” he’s now the best player in the Eastern Conference. The rest of their starters are good even if they’re not great. Like everyone else their issue was they couldn’t beat Lebron, now that’s not an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MKnight82 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 How hungover was John wall at USA Basketball practice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 I dunno if that's a hangover lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 18 minutes ago, MikeT14 said: I dunno if that's a hangover lol Id say he has bloodshot eyes but he's squinting too much to tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted July 26, 2018 Author Share Posted July 26, 2018 1 hour ago, MKnight82 said: How hungover was John wall at USA Basketball practice? He needs a haircut, that picture is hilarious though! Lol I just saw a clip that Chris Miller poster of Wall knocking down jumper after jumper on practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted July 26, 2018 Author Share Posted July 26, 2018 57 minutes ago, MKnight82 said: Id say he has bloodshot eyes but he's squinting too much to tell. He’s probably high Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted July 26, 2018 Author Share Posted July 26, 2018 (edited) John catching Lebron napping Edited July 26, 2018 by turtle28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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