Skinsin2013 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 On 2/5/2019 at 1:56 PM, turtle28 said: So now you see what Iâve seen all year? Lol đ... ok buddy. Ariza was traded for as a 3 & D players too and he canât hit the broad side of a barn either! Wall was playing on a heal that needed surgery, Porter, Sato - who canât hit an open shot either - and others are healthy. They donât have the injury excuse that Wall had. Wall showed up to camp overweight with heal spurs. That's what we call a character issue. And injury excuse my ***. Was he injured against the Lakers? He had some good games in there. The Wall crowd is a trip. Ted appears to be fine sitting on his thumb... or Ernie's thumb. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsin2013 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Note this stat too... Porter is actually attempting MORE open + wide-open shots so far this season, but he's shooting worse on them. Yet again, that dispels the myth that Wall finds cookie shots for players. Ball movement is more important (and cheaper). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 28 minutes ago, Skinsin2013 said: Wall showed up to camp overweight with heal spurs. That's what we call a character issue. And injury excuse my ***. Was he injured against the Lakers? He had some good games in there. The Wall crowd is a trip. Ted appears to be fine sitting on his thumb... or Ernie's thumb. Pretty sure, Wall has been dealing with a heel issue on and off for a few years. At least thatâs what Scott Brooks said, and they finally decided to have surgery on the heal. I donât think thatâs a âcharacter issue,â thatâs a medical issue. The wizards organization has handled Wallâs injuries wrong IMO for years. He shouldâve have never been allowed to play an entire season on two bad knees 3 years ago - both which requires offseason surgery two years ago - or on a bad heel the last two years. Wall should have been made to have his knee surgeries when he started having issues with his knees in 2016 or 2017. They didnât have him have the surgeries though and if Wallâs heal was also bothering him last season - thatâs what Brooks said - then, when he had his knee surgery last year then, he shouldâve also had the heel surgery and then missed the entire second half of the 2017-18 season. If Wall has the knee surgeries during the season in 2016 then, the Wizards end up with a lottery pick in the 2017 draft instead of deciding to trade for Bogdanavic so that they had another shooter for Wall in the 2016-17 playoffs. Then, last year when he had the knee surgery, he shouldâve had the heel surgery as well. If that happens, the Wizards have a lottery pick in the 2018 draft as well. The wizards have totally mismanaged Wallâs injury issues for years and now itâs all coming to a head! If the Wizards had played their cards right with Wallâs injuries and had Wall get those surgeries in season, 3 seasons ago and last season, right now theyâd have two lottery picks coming off their bench - or even starting at PF & C - along with a healthy Wall, Beal, Porter, Sato, Ariza, Green and Bryant. Ernie, Brooks and their medical staff have just managed Wall all wrong since he first started having his knee troubles during the 2016 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Live look in at the hopes and dreams of Wizards' fans for the "Wall mega era"  Had they a competent GM, they could have gone all in on selling off everything for draft picks and building for the future. But alas, they seem to think that they can still compete. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Lol wizards just dumped Otto Porter for garbage. Â What a disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Just now, MKnight82 said: Lol wizards just dumped Otto Porter for garbage.  What a disaster. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25940828/bulls-get-otto-porter-wizards-bobby-portis-jabari-parker Quote The Washington Wizards have agreed to trade forward Otto Porter Jr. to the Chicago Bulls for forwards Bobby Portis and Jabari Parker, a league source confirmed to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski. The deal includes a 2023 second-round pick to the Wizards, the source told ESPN. So, now they'll have two second round picks to look forward to in 2023 (they have none until then). Odds are, if Grunfeld stays (and why wouldn't he? nothing to date has convinced Leonsis to fire him) they won't have those seconds when 2023 rolls around. Since Wall is out for 2019, apparently the marching orders are now "dump salary and get under the luxury tax threshold" (Parker has a $20M team option, Portis is a RFA (with a $3.6M qualifying offer)). To not get a first round pick back ... silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Woz said: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25940828/bulls-get-otto-porter-wizards-bobby-portis-jabari-parker So, now they'll have two second round picks to look forward to in 2023 (they have none until then). Odds are, if Grunfeld stays (and why wouldn't he? nothing to date has convinced Leonsis to fire him) they won't have those seconds when 2023 rolls around. Since Wall is out for 2019, apparently the marching orders are now "dump salary and get under the luxury tax threshold" (Parker has a $20M team option, Portis is a RFA (with a $3.6M qualifying offer)). To not get a first round pick back ... silly. The only reason they dumped Porter was to save the owner money. Â It got them below the luxury tax, that was the point. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) Per https://www.spotrac.com/nba/washington-wizards/yearly/cap/ only players under contract in 2019-2020 season are John Wall (signed through 2021, has a player option on 2022 ... no chance he doesn't execute that option) Bradley Beal (signed through 2020) Troy Brown (signed through 2019, with club options in 2020 and 2021 ... he's likely getting those, but with Washington?) Ian Mahinmi (signed through 2019) Dwight Howard (has a player option in 2019) Jabari Parker (has a team option for 2019) with RFA possibilities on: Chasson Randle Tomas Santoransky Sam Dekker Thomas Bryant Bobby Portis  The funny thing is that I remember pointing and laughing when the Wizards passed on drafting Portis for Oubre (since they had Porter). Problem apparently solved! Edited February 7, 2019 by Woz Adding when the players contracts expire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Just now, MKnight82 said: The only reason they dumped Porter was to save the owner money. Â It got them below the luxury tax, that was the point. Â Umm ... I believe I said that in #3. Only thing I thought silly was not getting a better draft pick back for Porter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Woz said: Umm ... I believe I said that in #3. Only thing I thought silly was not getting a better draft pick back for Porter. I just wanted to emphasize how greedy and pathetic this trade is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Just now, MKnight82 said: I just wanted to emphasize how greedy and pathetic this trade is. Well, at least they finally decided to tank? Expect a plethora of 10-day contracts the rest of the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Just now, Woz said: Well, at least they finally decided to tank? Expect a plethora of 10-day contracts the rest of the way. Oh, and Beal to go out the door as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 35 minutes ago, Woz said: Oh, and Beal to go out the door as well. Sigh. Ted is such a dummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) What's not to love about this trade? The Wizards unloaded an awful Otto Porter contract for two starting caliber bigs who both average the same amount as Otto! Parker: 14 pts, 6 rebs Portis: 14 pts, 7 rebs And while Parker has battled injuries, he and Portis are only 23. Edited February 7, 2019 by turtle28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins212689 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 They might as well blow things up now and let Beal go or build around Beal. Wall's focus should be on getting healthy and staying in shape without basketball for some time. Your ethier tanking full throttle with the Beal trade or you play the best you can as you build around Beal while trying to get a top pick in the draft. I'm looking forward to seeing what Parker can bring. He was definitely a guy I wad high in coming out of Duke. Seemed to have some similarities to Melo's game. Take the rest of the season and see how Parker and Beal fit together. The DC sports teams are truly a disappointment. Definitely need some new Management in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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