patman Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/16/2018 at 2:56 PM, everlong said: Apples to oranges. NFL has a salary cap. You can only have 53 players on your roster. Would you be willing to spend big bucks on an unproven player? not when those contracts are not guaranteed. The big market or the most likely contenders will still be the prefered destination. All you need are 10 $10 mill dollars value players, a good qb and say 4 new 1st rd picks every year only making 2-4 mil a piece and you are way under the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Who cares if the NFL's parity would be affected? The draft is just fun. The trades, the speculation, the concept each team is building its future on the same day in the same place... why would you want to get rid of the best thing about the NFL offseason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Has anybody mentioned side income. You know, endorsements and commercial ads. Players going to big markets teams would get more and larger deals from businesses other than the NFL. There is no way the Browns or the Jags could compete against the Rams or the Pats or the Cowboys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoSojia Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 17 hours ago, FourThreeMafia said: There is never a shortage of terrible ideas on NFL Gen, thats for sure. Terrible posts as well, judging by this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngosu Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 6 hours ago, patman said: not when those contracts are not guaranteed. The big market or the most likely contenders will still be the prefered destination. All you need are 10 $10 mill dollars value players, a good qb and say 4 new 1st rd picks every year only making 2-4 mil a piece and you are way under the cap. 4 new 1st round picks would make more than 2-4 million each if they were free agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 hour ago, BroncoSojia said: Terrible posts as well, judging by this one. Yes....and your post is so much better, right? At least mine was related to the topic. Think before you post, big guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patman Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 1:33 PM, youngosu said: 4 new 1st round picks would make more than 2-4 million each if they were free agents. well now you are saying you are getting rid of the rookie pool also. There is no way the vets let the rookies go back to making big bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roninho Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 On 16-04-2018 at 10:38 PM, youngosu said: And? The Browns would still be able to find plenty of people to field a competitive league. Money talks. There are only so many jobs in the NFL, plenty of players would go to Cleveland. Exactly. It's not like they are not able to sign free agents right now. They have to pay a premium in some cases, but enough players more then willing to play in Cleveland if the money is good. Also, people seem to forget that a lot of players (and their agents) would be looking at playing time as an important factor. Not going to get a big $ contract once your rookie deal expires if you don't start i would imagine. Better be starting guard for the Browns then 2nd or 3rd string at a big market team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roninho Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 On 19-04-2018 at 12:50 PM, patman said: not when those contracts are not guaranteed. The big market or the most likely contenders will still be the prefered destination. All you need are 10 $10 mill dollars value players, a good qb and say 4 new 1st rd picks every year only making 2-4 mil a piece and you are way under the cap. That is under the assumption that there is a salary limit on rookie contracts. And it forgets that you'll end up with not enough room for the 1st round picks to start on this team (10 $10 million players + 1 qb + 16 1st round players (4 years 4 picks) is 27 players). No way a 1st round pick is going to sign with a team where he is not projected to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roninho Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 On 19-04-2018 at 5:23 PM, TVScout said: Has anybody mentioned side income. You know, endorsements and commercial ads. Players going to big markets teams would get more and larger deals from businesses other than the NFL. There is no way the Browns or the Jags could compete against the Rams or the Pats or the Cowboys. Yes and no. There is more money for big stars in LA or NY or Dallas compared to Oakland. However if you are star #6 of #8 for a team in a big market, will there really be more endorsement money compared to being star #1 or #2 for a small market team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 6 hours ago, Roninho said: However if you are star #6 of #8 for a team in a big market, will there really be more endorsement money compared to being star #1 or #2 for a small market team? Could happen in Dallas. In the early 1990's every body in the organization had a radio program. Even the equipment manager had one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucketheadsdad Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 On 4/17/2018 at 1:03 PM, youngosu said: No it wouldn't. There is no evidence that not having a draft would effect parity at all. As a matter of fact the NBA has a draft; where's the parity? Its amazing how many of you act like everyone would choose the same team if there was no draft. There is no evidence of this plus its literally impossible because teams still only have 53 rosters spots, teams still only have so much money to spend on talent, and the NFL has a SALARY CAP. You are essentially making an argument for going back to the reserve system where players never get any freedom. Is that really what you want? The NBA has a soft cap. If the team owner wants to pay exorbitant fees for being over the cap, he or she can do so. That doesn't exist in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngosu Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 6 hours ago, patman said: well now you are saying you are getting rid of the rookie pool also. There is no way the vets let the rookies go back to making big bucks. The rookie pool is based on the draft. That said, if you keep the rookie pool how would the Patriots sign 10 guys to 2-4 million dollar contracts? The rookie pool is a per team cap so if it still exists the Patriots would have no ability to spend 20-40 million on rookies, they'd be capped at between 4-7 million. So either way, your claim that the Patriots could sign 4 first rounders is false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngosu Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 52 minutes ago, Bucketheadsdad said: The NBA has a soft cap. If the team owner wants to pay exorbitant fees for being over the cap, he or she can do so. That doesn't exist in the NFL. That wasn't the claim. The claim was that the draft was the key to parity. You have now changed the argument to "the draft with a hard cap" which is a different argument. I'd argue its still incorrect and that the draft has little to do with what parity exists in the NFL (revenue sharing, a short season, and big rosters are all larger factors than either the draft or the cap) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Issue Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 The draft was instituted to help provide balance. Without it, I think the NFL loses a lot of competitive balance and becomes a lesser product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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