***Spoiler Thread*** Avengers: Infinity Wars

[ET80]

7 minutes ago, TXsteeler said:

I didn't spend $40 and drive over an hour one way to see a movie I wasn't going to enjoy man. You guys all enjoyed it and are clearly marvel fanboys and that's good for you, but being objective this was probably the worst non Thor marvel film yet.

Yes you did. In your head, you said you were going to be a hipster and not like the movie - and here you are, bringing up basic, kindergarten-level complaints against the movie and rejecting any sort of rebuttal as "fanboy" talk.

You wasted your time and money if these are your complaints, and perhaps these sort of movies are too 'above the line" for you if your complaints are valid in your mind. Perhaps the Pixar line of movies pre 2000s are more your speed?

[Mox]

Objectively bad is the most laughable thing said in this thread. Objective does not mean what you think it means. And I can’t speak for anyone else but I’m a much bigger DC fan than Marvel. Absolutely not a Marvel fan boy. I despise Avengers 2.

[TecmoSuperJoe]

The logic of "you're a fanboy so of course you like it" doesn't really fly. Comic book fans are some of the most critical people out there. I'm a fan of both DC and Marvel. Most of the recent DC movies have been terrible though. But if I was a fanboy, how can I say that?

Just because you're a fan of something doesn't mean you can't be impartial about a piece of work or entertainment presented to you. Not every Taylor Swift fan is going to like every song she makes. Not every football fan is going to approve of every draft pick taken. 

You don't have to be a groupie to be a fan. 

Edited April 30, 2018 by PapaShogun

[Jakuvious]

59 minutes ago, TXsteeler said:

I didn't spend $40 and drive over an hour one way to see a movie I wasn't going to enjoy man. You guys all enjoyed it and are clearly marvel fanboys and that's good for you, but being objective this was probably the worst non Thor marvel film yet.

I'm a lifelong DC fanboy that started watching the MCU both confident and hopeful that DC would phenomenally outdo it, and I thought Infinity War was spectacular. When the overwhelming majority likes something, kind of regardless of background/experience, the fan boy claim loses all clout. And I want to say, there are criticisms to be had, but most of them in your post were just non-sense points that make it seem like you didn't pay attention during the movie. I do think there are valid complaints to be had about the Spidey/Strange/IM/GoTG fight versus Thanos on Titan, for instance. The seeing into the future thing explains it but is also just kind of a crap plot point, generally. I can understand people saying there was just a lot in the movie. But when you're saying things like you don't get Thanos's motivations or why Banner stays Banner all movie, you're saying that you missed plot points that were thoroughly fleshed out across multiple dedicated scenes and several conversations/interactions. That's not the movie, that's you.

And let's be clear here, when you come in to ANY thread on ANY forum, and start out with "X is trash, you're all fanboys" you're clearly not trying to have a conversation or share your objective opinion on the topic.

[Calvert28]

4 hours ago, TXsteeler said:

The plot was complete trash. So much of it was forced and made no sense.

Thanos shows up with no real motivation and beats Thor, Loki, and the hulk without showing us how. He has the power stone randomly but ok. Then Loki just gives him the space stone after Heimdall uses his last effort to save mark ruffalos useless POS face instead of getting Loki and the stone out even though Heimdall knew.

He had motivation. To find the Space Stone. He beat the Hulk fairly easy with the Power Stone on which gives him unlimited power, he's already a demi-god at this stage. So it's not needed to show how he beat Thor and Loki and Heimdall. Hulk who is shown time and time again to be pretty much unstoppable got his azz handed to him. And I think that's why he refuses to come out later. It's the first time he's been ever made to feel truly afraid. As for Heimdall, he needed to save at least one person. And Hulk was the closest to him. Not Loki or Thor otherwise I am sure he would have sent Thor. Dude just tried to save someone with his dying breaths.

4 hours ago, TXsteeler said:

Then later, thanos' captains wreck strange, ironman, and Spidey because the producers apparently ran out of money for CG so the hulk couldn't show up. This is also despite the fact that strange was able to just portal the bad guys away and cut them in half doing it, he gets wrecked anyways, so whatever.

The Hulk not showing up is more of a plot device im guessing because I doubt they ran out of money. Yea and Strange was able to portal the big dumb one. Thanos has shown he's pretty much more cunning then anyone else in the series. He already had the reality and space stone. Even if Strange cut him in half he could just tap a finger and have his lower half restored. I mean he could technically do it to only his arm. But then again he was too busy holding on to his other one and they were fighting against Thanos of all people.

4 hours ago, TXsteeler said:

Then they are able to somehow beat knockoff Snoke even though he was clearly already shown to have strong enough force powers to stop himself getting sucked out of a ship, but they can't go home because strange ran out of minutes on his portal powers so they crash into thanos 'hometown.

I don't believe that's what happened. Im fairly certain Stark convinced Strange to take the fight to Thanos on Titan rather then the amount of damage he could have done on Earth while fighting them. Plus don't insult Squidward, he at the very least had a send off that included fighting against 3 super humans, one the smartest tech guy on Earth, another a guy with some serious fighting and stealth moves for support, and the Sorcerer Supreme which is like >=x1000 Kylo Ren flicking his finger.

4 hours ago, TXsteeler said:

Then Thanos just gets the reality stone off screen cause these things are basically Happy meal toys right?

You do know they can only fit so much into one movie right? And the collector is not Dr. Strange, or Thor, or some supremely powerful being. He stood no chance against Thanos what so ever. And that make believe scene Thanos put on more then likely was how it went down anyways.

4 hours ago, TXsteeler said:

After that, gamora is so serious about never giving Thanos the soul stone she asks her love to kill her if Thanos gets her. That doesn't work out and she gives in and gives up the soulstone after 20 seconds of her Android sister who she doesn't even  like that much being tortured.

If you watch GOTG 2 they kinda reconciled and they come to understand that both eachother suffered dearly with Thanos. Nebula actually suffered far more because of Gamora. So that probably played a part in her decision.

4 hours ago, TXsteeler said:

Later, they defeat thanos but Chris Pratt hadn't got enough screen time yet so he screws up everything (and strange wasn't able to cut off Thanos' arm because his short distance portal powers we're on cooldown apparently) and thanks beats them all down.

I agree somewhat that Pratt didn't make much sense considering Thanos was in a trance. So he shouldn't have been talking to him in the first place instead try to get the glove off. But Strange again was busy dealing with one arm. His Hands were literally full.

4 hours ago, TXsteeler said:

Then strange GIVES thanos the time stone, because it's the only way they could win in the 14 million versions where strange doesn't just go back in time and bang Thanos' mom so he can just raise him as a better person.

I like where your heads at with the time traveling porn thing. But Strange just can't go back in time just like that and poof everything is better. They explain it in Dr. Strange that is unbelievably dangerous. He could do more damage then Thanos does. Strange did what he saw in the 1 version where they win. And that's gonna be the big reveal in the last movie.

4 hours ago, TXsteeler said:

That's 3/4 stones that Thanos is just given when they were never accessible to him and 2/4 stones he just gets off screen for plot.

Only the power stone he gets off screen. The rest he gets on screen. And yea they give it to him normally, after he tortures them for awhile to get it out of them. A persons will is only so strong you know.

4 hours ago, TXsteeler said:

Thanos goes to wakanda where the final battle is taking place and the most advanced nation on Earth engages in a medieval battle straight out of lotr instead of just bombing the enemies ground forces.

Ok I'll give this one to you as well. Thats 2 plot holes. This one being minor though.

4 hours ago, TXsteeler said:

Also, I just want to stop here to point out how much I hate mark ruffalo. Bruce banner is not the gd hero, the hulk is. I understand why Tony Stark and Peter Parker have masks that go away when combat isn't going on so they can show the actors faces, and why they show tony's face in the helmet with the HUD, they have to give the actors screen time. But mark ruffalo ends up in the hulkbuster because again, they ran out of CG money and also of course they would have that armor on the ship to wakanda with them randomly. During that whole fight with Mark ruffalo vs that thanos goon (they all went unnamed during the movie except that one guy who was mentioned once, wtf) I was getting more and more pissed off at Mark's stupid little face. When he finally defeats the goon and opens the cockpit to pop his smarmy little face out I died a little inside. Just such an utter trash part of the movie.

The Hulk Buster is CGI. Again they did not run out of money. I agree that Ruffalo wasn't great, but then again there are so many different actors that needed screen time this movie was never going to be perfect script wise. Banner was there to deliver a message and make some humor. He failed the 2nd part for half the movie. But as far as rampaging Hulk. That's what got Thor for. They wanted to make this first movie a losing battle. Hulk not coming out is a plot device.

4 hours ago, TXsteeler said:

Thanos gets the mind stone, the only single stone he wasn't just given or gets offscreen by using the time stone that STRANGE GAVE TO HIM FOR NO REASON. So Thanos earns nothing with his powers in the entire movie. Thanos isn't the bad guy, the avengers are. They killed half the universe by giving all of the stones away. Thor comes in and is able to somehow be stronger than thanos with all the infinity stones and kills the crap out of him before Thanos is like "lol bro" and snaps his fingers, killing half the universe, which would have been half cool if it wasn't completely obvious that it was going to happen. They talked about it like 3 times in the movie before it happens, what trash writing is that?

Well they were giving the reason for Thanos quest for the stones. Had they given him no backstory to it. You would have been in here complaining that he killed half the universe for no reason. Also I want you to say with a straight face that you expected him to win this movie? That has never happened in a Super Hero film. Stop that crap.

4 hours ago, TXsteeler said:

And then finally, we see our heroes disappearing. Bucky goes and you're like "damn man" we see entire crowds of Wakandan soldiers turning to dust in the field and it starts to impact you, Then Chadwick Boseman, star of the $1.3 Billion dollar Black Panther movie, the movie about which Kevin Feige said there were "ideas and a pretty solid direction on where we want to head with the second one ", dies and you realize it's ALL FAKE. Then they manage to turn every single other new star to dust. Dr. Strange, Spiderman, Starlord, etc. All the people who are still CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED to star in more Marvel movies are dead. And just like I alluded to before, the true plot twist is that Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, and Mark Ruffalo, all the original Avengers, are all still alive, proving that they were behind Thanos the whole time. All the Rumors about RDJ, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, and the Hulk wanting out of the MCU were lies all along to trick the new actors into thinking they were safe, but now we know that there will never be a Spiderman 2 or a Black Panther 2 or a Dr. Strange 2, or a Guardians of the Galaxy 3.

Most people here don't think their dead. Thanos has the soul stone. Meaning they are probably trapped inside.

4 hours ago, TXsteeler said:

And that's just me complaining about how bad the plot is. I could have gone into things like the movie not actually having any cool or powerful moments, or how the 38 heroes all overshadowed each other and made everyone look equally weak. It's just NOT a good movie. It might be good for Marvel fan boys and I'm not going to hate on that or ruin anybodies parade, I'm glad you could enjoy it, but it was impossible for me to enjoy.

The best part of this movie was Chris Hemsworth calling Rocket a Rabbit.

I'm starting to wonder if you saw the rest of the 18 movies. YOu wouldn't need serious detail for anyone but Thanos who they explained. Infact the entire movie was with him being the main character basically. Besides a few questionable things. They pulled an incredible movie.

[AFlaccoSeagulls]

1 hour ago, TXsteeler said:

I didn't spend $40 and drive over an hour one way to see a movie I wasn't going to enjoy man. You guys all enjoyed it and are clearly marvel fanboys and that's good for you, but being objective this was probably the worst non Thor marvel film yet.

I'm not a Marvel fanboy and I thoroughly enjoyed this film.

[Manny/Patrick]

In the beginning I’m thinking Heimdall didn’t transport Loki because he knew who he was and maybe didn’t grasp who Thanos was yet. (Kanye ?‍♂️)

[UKTexans]

48 minutes ago, Manny/Patrick said:

In the beginning I’m thinking Heimdall didn’t transport Loki because he knew who he was and maybe didn’t grasp who Thanos was yet. (Kanye ?‍♂️)

Nah dude had the all seeing eye. He must have known who he was

[TXsteeler]

8 hours ago, Broncofan said:

Listen, you're entitled to your opinion.  But please stop with the fanboy callout. 

It's actually inaccurate in my case, I'm sure that applies to a lot of people who saw it.  And frankly, it's irrelevant if people are using points to make their point.   If you really are interested in a discussion, leave that out.  I'm not going to insult you with labels, can you say the same?   If that's what you're left with, maybe consider what that means about the arguments you're making.

I'm being called a contrarian for disliking a movie, so I'm calling people who won't accept it had many flaws "fanboys".

[ET80]

2 minutes ago, TXsteeler said:

I'm being called a contrarian for disliking a movie, so I'm calling people who won't accept it had many flaws "fanboys".

Your flaws are trumped up drivel, things that are easily explainable if you have a basic grasp of how movies (in general, not even MCU or comic book movies) work.

Your opening statement in this thread referenced anyone who liked it as a "fanboy" so I'm calling you out on that - you came in here with intent to raise a stink, ergo you watched the movie with the intent of being a contrarian.

Methinks you're a DC fanboy and you're just upset that this one movie killed the entire DC connected universe...

[Broncofan]

15 minutes ago, TXsteeler said:

I'm being called a contrarian for disliking a movie, so I'm calling people who won't accept it had many flaws "fanboys".

Come on, it was in your OP.   You started with this take before anyone even replied.  

You're projecting again now.

Edited April 30, 2018 by Broncofan

[TXsteeler]

8 hours ago, EliteTexan80 said:

Yes you did. In your head, you said you were going to be a hipster and not like the movie - and here you are, bringing up basic, kindergarten-level complaints against the movie and rejecting any sort of rebuttal as "fanboy" talk.

You wasted your time and money if these are your complaints, and perhaps these sort of movies are too 'above the line" for you if your complaints are valid in your mind. Perhaps the Pixar line of movies pre 2000s are more your speed?

Lmao man I'm being trolled by a mod because he's so mad I didn't like his favorite movie? Dude I have enjoyed every non Thor marvel movie to date. The Captain America's were all amazing, GotG 1 was amazing, BP was amazing, Spiderman, both Avengers, the Ironman Movies and GotG2 were great. Thor 3 was pretty good, Dr Strange was ok and the first two thor movies weren't good at all imo, although I like Thor the character.

I've never been a contrarian just to be so, those people are idiots and losers. I feel like I did waste my time and money on this movie because all told it was the 3rd worst marvel film to date and If I new it was gonna be so bad I would have waited to rent it. Your last sentence is just trolling me, this movie was nothing special and didn't involve any complex plot, directional, or emotional structure that "went over my head".

[TXsteeler]

4 minutes ago, EliteTexan80 said:

Your flaws are trumped up drivel, things that are easily explainable if you have a basic grasp of how movies (in general, not even MCU or comic book movies) work.

Your opening statement in this thread referenced anyone who liked it as a "fanboy" so I'm calling you out on that - you came in here with intent to raise a stink, ergo you watched the movie with the intent of being a contrarian.

Methinks you're a DC fanboy and you're just upset that this one movie killed the entire DC connected universe...

Not at all, the DC people should kill themselves and sacrifice their souls to get Christopher Nolan back to take over the entire DC movie line. Every single one of them has been completely trash other than Wonder Woman, which I would say is up there in the middle tier of MCU movies.

But you claiming that you think i'm a DC fanboy and i'm upset about it "killing the entire DC connected universe" really makes me feel like you are an upset Marvel fan right now.

The flaws I listed are not "trumped up drivel".

Facts are Facts, Thanos got 3 of the stones from the Avengers just giving them to him when they could have just let someone die and protected the universe.

I'll admit that I'm not a comic fan, so can you remind me which stone gives Thanos his plot armor?

[ET80]

3 minutes ago, TXsteeler said:

Lmao man I'm being trolled by a mod because he's so mad I didn't like his favorite movie?

Mad? Not quite. I'm just having a hard time believing your complaints are anything but "going against the grain". You desperately trying to tell us otherwise while only playing the "fanboy" card doesn't really help your case, either.

Of all of your takes, you have one single legitimate gripe - Hemidall sending Hulk instead of Loki. Rest of it is pretty much laid out for anyone watching the movie, but it seems as if it went over your head. Others try to draw it out for you, and you play the fanboy card. 

[TXsteeler]

8 hours ago, Jakuvious said:

I'm a lifelong DC fanboy that started watching the MCU both confident and hopeful that DC would phenomenally outdo it, and I thought Infinity War was spectacular. When the overwhelming majority likes something, kind of regardless of background/experience, the fan boy claim loses all clout. And I want to say, there are criticisms to be had, but most of them in your post were just non-sense points that make it seem like you didn't pay attention during the movie. I do think there are valid complaints to be had about the Spidey/Strange/IM/GoTG fight versus Thanos on Titan, for instance. The seeing into the future thing explains it but is also just kind of a crap plot point, generally. I can understand people saying there was just a lot in the movie. But when you're saying things like you don't get Thanos's motivations or why Banner stays Banner all movie, you're saying that you missed plot points that were thoroughly fleshed out across multiple dedicated scenes and several conversations/interactions. That's not the movie, that's you.

And let's be clear here, when you come in to ANY thread on ANY forum, and start out with "X is trash, you're all fanboys" you're clearly not trying to have a conversation or share your objective opinion on the topic.

1. That's my point, it was terrible writing.

2. His motivations are that he wants to kill half of all people for "balance" That's terrible writing again. He isn't a psychopath like the joker, nor does he believe in some sort of religion or something.

3. Again, a terrible writing choice. Nobody likes Mark Ruffalo, and they've already shown that Thanos can beat him up, so why not just let him be hulk? Let's all be real here, everybody would have traded Mark ruffalo for Hawkeye in this movie.

You guys are all claiming I don't understand anything because I made a satirical post about the movies plot but I clearly understand it all, and just think the writing is trash.