Mind Character Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 You know I got a list on prospects, LGB....always...and I was actually going to update the prospects thread this weekend when I had time to watch the final 2 WRs and 1 CB I wanted to see before the season gets going. In short, the clear cut blue chip WR1 top of the first round talents (possessing size, long vertical speed, explosive vertical leap and high point ability, supreme ball skills, spatial awareness, elite body control, great/natural hands catcher) don't seem to be available in 2018 which really really sucks...it seems like our need position never really matches up with the blue chip talent available. There are however 4 guys that may ascend to that WR1 level with question marks and some limitations a this point. 2 of the guys no one is even talking about yet (Gallup and Cobbs Jr.) They are: 1st round blue chip all around WR1 talents with question marks: 1. Auden Tate WR, FSU: Supreme Athlete with insane Jump ball ability. Not sure he actually knows how to run routes. Concentration issues...gives up on routes at times for no reason. Always strong to the ball. Shows some deep speed, but not the suddenness or explosive quickness of a true WR1. Deep speed issue could give Sutton and Cobbs Jr. the nod in terms of the only 2 WR1 prospects. One of the best redzone threats since Mike Williams and Calvin Johnson. Need to see a lot more this season. Doesn't always high point when he could...waits for the ball to come in. Needs to learn a lot about the position. Run blocking is not urgent. 2. Courtland Sutton WR SMU: Supreme body control. Elite in that category. Some of the best catches you'll see; some of the worst drops you'll see. Great vertical routes, but really poor intermediate route game thus far. Strong run blocker. Unbelievable stutter step route run move. Not strong to the ball in the slant game. Can't beat single high safety after beat CB as he runs the route into the Safety showing he doesn't know how or what to do in a pro route tree after beating the DB off the line. 3. Simmie Cobbs Jr. WR, Indiana University: Has everything except for elite long speed. Speed is good. Great combat catcher. Natural hands. Savvy route runner. Good run after catch. Natural receiver. Strong to the ball. Not the best getting out of breaks especially on outs and comebacks (could've been due to injury as he looked gimpy at times). Concentration issues. Competitive spirit doesn't run hot always. 2nd Round talents with a Supreme WR Skill/Ability (Vertical speed ability, catch and run ability (YAC), and/or Possession Combat Catcher): 4. Christian Kirk WR, TAMU -- Not as high on as others . People see him as a top 10 player...I say get the F out of here. He's a really good prospect though. I see Kirk as a less competitive, less combat catcher talented, not as good hands catcher, Golden Tate type. Unbelievable run after catch instincts and ability. Uncanny. Competitive and strong to the ball when attached to the ground. Rarely high points anything. Lets the ball get into his body. He does not attack the ball in the air well, but will take the top off the defense in a second and is a catch and run specialist. A great WR2 prospect with long speed, but is more of a Corey Coleman type than a WR1 do everything AJ Green type 5. Calvin Ridley WR, Alabama --- I like Ridley a lot but he's more Marvin Jones than blue chip WR1 than top 10 WR people are talking about. I am not as high on him as others. He's really good, but is not the WR1 everyone is making him out to be. He has great vertical stretch ability but is limited as a combat catcher, redzone threat, route runner, and "go up and get it" pass catcher. Smooth with supreme slant and comeback route running. Let's the ball into his body and doesn't high point. Steady and consistent ability to get open. Everyone's drooling on Calvin Ridely and comparing him to Amari Cooper. There not in the same stratosphere to me as Cooper was stronger, more polished route runner, far superior hands and on a different plane as a redzone threat. 6. Michael Gallup WR, Colorado St.--- combat catcher extraordinaire ----------------------- 3rd--5th Round talent with WR2 upside: 7. Deon Cain WR, Clemson 8. Jester Weah WR, University of Pittsburgh 9. Deebo Samuels WR, Louisville 10. Equanimeous St. Brown WR, Notre Dame 11. Antonio Callaway WR, Florida 12. Allen Lazard WR, Iowa St. Later review (incomplete evaluation): Dante Pettis, Jauan Jennings, James Washington (Washington is so overrated in my mind based on limited exposure to 2 games).... -------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 8 minutes ago, Mind Character said: Looks like my guy Simmie Cobbs Jr. is going off against OSU....special talent but has long speed concerns and injury issues.. I was hoping I'd be able to call him a sleeper at the end of the year but he's making a name for himself in the first game on a big stage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 On 8/21/2017 at 1:23 PM, Mind Character said: @candyman93 My bad...At the time I reposted a general draft talk thread from the old forum, I did not realize you already made one over here. I think the 2018 QB thread I made will serve as its own stand alone thread should the time come for QB talk at the end of the year if Kizer doesn't work out. But the non-QB general draft talk thread I started is redundant with this one...so I'm just going to repost my thread opening post here for future reference as this thread is the one with activity and the one I started a while back is looking like it will be lost down the rabbit hole of the internet of things for all time. Hahaha...I forgot my own words...my bad...I accidentally posted in the duplicate thread to this one that I said I wouldn't post in....the worst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonanza23 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Equanimeous St. Brown is too low. 2nd rounder bare minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted September 1, 2017 Author Share Posted September 1, 2017 Amazing what a consistent pass rush can do for you. Lagow gave it all he had, but it's moronic having a QB throw is 55+ times against a pass rush that's constantly in your face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, candyman93 said: Amazing what a consistent pass rush can do for you. Lagow gave it all he had, but it's moronic having a QB throw is 55+ times against a pass rush that's constantly in your face. I mean, were they gonna run it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted September 1, 2017 Author Share Posted September 1, 2017 18 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: I mean, were they gonna run it? You've gotta try. It reminded me of what New England did against the Giants. You want Brady throwing, but he's gonna get crushed if you don't even try to run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 28 minutes ago, candyman93 said: You've gotta try. It reminded me of what New England did against the Giants. You want Brady throwing, but he's gonna get crushed if you don't even try to run. Bruh, they ran it 27 times for a whopping 17 yards. http://www.espn.com/college-football/matchup?gameId=400935229 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 2018 Early Season Mock Draft I've watched enough of the 2018 prospects to the point where I feel like I have a decent sense of the developmental trajectory a lot of them are on. It will be fun to see their growth or regression throughout the system but here's my early season mock draft. Texans Updated Outlook: Due to the regression of Bortles and Luck being out (which really sucks), I'm afraid the Texans will likely win 9 or 10 games now. Even with Brock they went to the playoffs. They'll sweep the Jags and colts (4 wins); beat the Rams, 49ers, and Browns (3 wins); and beat the Ravens and Bengals (2 wins). At 9 wins that nets us a pick anywhere from 17-22...I'll go with 17 for the mock. Browns Updated Outlook: I see us winning 5 games this year but being competitive in many more games netting us a pick in the 5-8 range..I'll go with 6 for this mock. Eagles Updated Outlook: Philly wins 7 games putting the pick in the 9 to 12 spot in the second round. I'll go with the 10 slot for the mock. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Browns Biggest needs: CB, WR, S, RB, LT 1(6). Tarvarus Mcfadden CB FSU: Long athlete, quick feet, smooth/fluid hips, good eye discipline, always looking for the ball, best CB in all of CFB. Love Minkah, but Mcfadden is the superior and much larger athlete with more advanced ball skills. Walks into the pro bowl his first year and doesn't look back for 7 seasons if he possesses the right maturity and work ethic. Has everything. Needs to work on tackling and becoming more physical in press. 1(17). Armani Watts FS/SS TAMU: Best football player in college football and better than Derwin James. Better eyes, quick mental trigger and processor, harder striker and more violent tackler, instincts to range and ball skills to finish with INT. Better than Jamal Adams in terms of overall grade imo. Injury concerns and the out of the world love for the good player that is Derwin James will allow Watts to fall in the draft to us. Won't blaxe the 40 at the combine. Can excel at either safety spot. Perfect complimentary player to Peppers. 2(38).(**Potential trade back into the 1st**) Courtland Sutton WR SMU // Simmie Cobbs Jr WR IU // Auden Tate WR FSU: All three have serious limitations. Overall, top WRs in this draft will go late 1st and early 2nd. Courtland Sutton has the highest upside, and possesses Supreme body control. Elite in that category. Accelerates to top speed immediately and is shot out of a cannon off the line. Some of the best catches you'll see; some of the worst drops you'll see. Great vertical routes, but really poor intermediate route game thus far. Strong run blocker. Unbelievable stutter step route run move on 15 yard boundary routes to get open. Not strong to the ball in the slant game. Needs to improve getting off press man. Can't beat single high safety after beat CB off the line as he runs the route into the Safety showing he doesn't know how or what to do in a pro route tree after beating the DB off the line. Has natural High point ability and ball skills are great. Auden Tate is a supreme combat catching possession receiver type athlete with insane Jump ball ability. Not sure he actually knows how to run routes. Concentration issues...gives up on routes at times for no reason. Always strong to the ball. Shows limited deep speed. Deep speed concerns could substantially limit his WR1 upside relegating him to be drafted much later. Struggles with press coverage due to pad level and being too upright. One of the best redzone threats since Mike Williams and Calvin Johnson. Need to see a lot more this season. Doesn't always high point when he could...waits for the ball to come in. Needs to learn a lot about the position. Run blocking is not urgent. Simmie Cobbs Jr. WR, Indiana University: Has everything except for elite long speed. Speed is good though. Great combat catcher. Natural hands. Savvy route runner. Good run after catch. Natural receiver. Strong to the ball. Not the best getting out of breaks especially on outs and comebacks (could've been due to injury as he looked gimpy at times). Concentration issues. Competitive spirit doesn't run hot always. Injury concerns. 2(42). Chukwuma Okorafor OT Western Michigan // Trey Adams OT Washington: I'm not convinced yet Shon Coleman is the longterm solution, and I don't know how long Joe stays in the game. We have no starter depth at either OT position. Lucky for us, Next year's crop of OT talent is absolutely insane. It's kind of like the CB class was in 2017. Quinton Nelson, Connor Williams, Mike Mcglinchy, and Orlando Brown will likely be 1st rounders but as many as 7 others have starter quality grades at LT/RT; therefore, it's likely that a few strong prospects are available later first and early 2nd. The talent is going to be too good to pass up. The two I listed could all go in the first if not high in the first but will not jump Quinton Nelson, Connor Williams, Mike Mcglinchy, and Orlando Brown in terms of overall grade imo. Trey Adams is the most likely to ascend up the boards come draft time as he has tremendous footwork, long arm punch, and patient patter in his pass sets. Strong and flexible anchor and ability to redirect with length and powerful punch. Has it all. Waiste bends at times and has some balance issues. Doesn't finish blocks and sustain enough. Chukwuma Okorafor is still raw but is the most powerful technician I've seen in quite some time. His only problem is he undersets in his pass set against speed rushers and allows them to take the edge on swim moves to the outside even when he's in perfect position. Hip flexibility to reanchor his hips, improved coaching on redirect punching and arm extension can help avoid his issues. 2(49). Derrius Guice RB LSU // Ronald Jones II RB USC // Bo Scarbrough RB Alabama: The running back class is stacked leading evaluators to likely wait on a RB as getting Royce Freeman, Akrum Wadley, Kalen Ballage, or Chase Edmonds in rounds 2, 3, or 4 could be just as good as taking one high. If one goes high, it will be Saquon Barkley; however, I think there is a lot of hype with Barkley thinking he's going top 10. That is reserved for elite elite backs, and I think he is a really good player but more on par with a top 20 or late 1st round player. If a RB doesn't go top 12, the next wave typically goes late first or early second. I love Derrius Guice and a lot of people are saying he's top 10 as well but his size and durability concerns as a smaller in size non-passing game versatile RB will limit his draft value. His vision is lacking too often. Late early to mid second will end up being his sweet spot when it is all said and done. Ronald Jones II needs to put on weight and muscle but has some of the best running instincts and through the whole quickness to enter the draft in some time. Bo Scarbrough has serious injury concerns and is more of a one cut type of back a la Derrick Henry style; and has limited wiggle and agility but great power and good vision. 3(70). Equanimeous St. Brown WR Notre Dame // Michael Gallup WR CSU // Deon Cain WR Clemson // Jester Weah Pitt: Let's get Kizer a familiar target. St. Brown has an extremely slender frame and is slow footed at times in and out of his breaks. Has a hard time beating physical press. With that said, he's a massive target with an unbelievable catch radius and tremendous body control for a receiver his size. Play speed is not that of a WR1. Not precise at all in route running. Not strong to the ball in combat catch scenarios. Has a natural instinct for getting open in zone. Ideally is a big slot receiver as his lack of route running skill and deep speed limits him on the boundary unless in the redzone or being used for boundary back shoulder throws. Body catcher. Micael Gallup has 1st round WR1 upside and is one of my favorites but his speed will drop him significantly. Big Target. He is a special combat catcher and has natural route running and body control instincts. Destroys press coverage. Needs to improve concentration and sustain his competitive fire in blocking. Deon Cain is as smooth as they come. More of a finesse game. Strong vertical routes and ability to separate. Is great off the line against press in getting into his routes. Not a refined route runner. Needs to attack the ball more instead of letting it into his body. Concentration issues. Has serious WR1 upside. Jester Weah is a possession specialist and would cause issues as a big slot. Good body control, but has deep speed concerns and has issues with quickness in and out of his breaks. Strong to the ball and good hands catcher in traffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 On 8/31/2017 at 10:51 PM, Bonanza23 said: Equanimeous St. Brown is too low. 2nd rounder bare minimum. I don't think so. Slender frame and strength issues. Can't get off press. deep speed concerns. Body catcher. poor route awareness and struggles to get out of quick breaks. I think he could easily fall to the third and beyond. Tremendous size and body control. Could be a great big slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgpoun8017 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 On 8/28/2017 at 2:14 PM, candyman93 said: First mock of 2017. 1. Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State 1. Courtland Sutton, WR, SMU 2. Jaire Alexander, CB, Louisville 2. Jordan Whitehead, S, Pittsburgh 2. Antonio Callaway, WR, Florida 3. Ronnie Harrison, S, Alabama 4. Casey Tucker, OG, Stanford 4. Jamarco Jones, OT, OSU 5. Bentley Spain, OT, North Carolina 6. Jaylon Ferguson, DE, Louisiana Tech 6. Da'Shawn Hand, DT, Alabama 7. Tanner Mangum, QB, BYU Saqu and is a beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted September 2, 2017 Author Share Posted September 2, 2017 Barkley is gonna be a pain in the *** to deal with for OSU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackoutstout Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Quin blanding is my dude. I've only seen the Tennessee vs. A&M cut up on draft breakdown and it seemed like everyone broke Armani Watts tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted September 3, 2017 Author Share Posted September 3, 2017 Bama and FSU are so damn fast on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie man Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 One of my favorite parts of college football is watching the players who make a name for themselves out of no where Like who is the next Malik Hooker thats the stuff I love I'm excited to see my boy Derwin James keep beasting He's special man I want him in G Williams defense real bad ** Mind's boy Auden tate just made a play like him for example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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