Woz Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 8 hours ago, turtle28 said: The bias against Redskins from the talking heads is alive and well. I don't know about that. Results of our snap poll: A: 4 A-: 10 B+: 14 B: 4 B-: 2 C+: 1 F: 1 (don't ever change, @Jeezy Fanatic) If you consider that this is a Redskins forum and that means we're somewhat biased (call it a grade step up), we're not that far off from the "experts" composite score. If I knew how they scored it (@oldman9er, you wouldn't happen to have the scoring system, would you?), I would see where we ended up relative the experts. It was a good draft. Not an earth shattering one, not a horrific one. A nice solid draft. Overall, I kind of agree with the aggregate: Giants had a SPECTACULAR draft (only thing that I might have done differently would have been to take Chubb over Barkley due to positional value), Philly and us had good ones, and Dallas had a meh-to-poor draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 41 minutes ago, Woz said: I don't know about that. Results of our snap poll: A: 4 A-: 10 B+: 14 B: 4 B-: 2 C+: 1 F: 1 (don't ever change, @Jeezy Fanatic) If you consider that this is a Redskins forum and that means we're somewhat biased (call it a grade step up), we're not that far off from the "experts" composite score. If I knew how they scored it (@oldman9er, you wouldn't happen to have the scoring system, would you?), I would see where we ended up relative the experts. It was a good draft. Not an earth shattering one, not a horrific one. A nice solid draft. Overall, I kind of agree with the aggregate: Giants had a SPECTACULAR draft (only thing that I might have done differently would have been to take Chubb over Barkley due to positional value), Philly and us had good ones, and Dallas had a meh-to-poor draft. I’d say the forum and most Redskins fans believe we had a an A- or B+ Grade. The talking heads had us averaged out as a B. I think our last two drafts have been A-/B+ drafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 13 hours ago, lavar703 said: The Redskins got a stud NT, a guy who could end up being the best back in this draft and quite a few damn good players to round it out. There is no way in hell this is a C- draft and it speaks to everyone and their mother suddenly being labeled a draft expert. I’m looking at you clown shoes Matt Miller. Matt Miller (Bleacher Report) basically works for what amounts to be a tabloid on sports, same with Mike Florio and Pro Football Talk. There’s a lot of opinions they throw out there and not as much straight facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSkinGM Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 I voted B, because felt round 1 though a good pick was a bit of a reach so a B. Rd 2 was a Home Run -A+! Round 3 Shaky pick from all I read so C. Rd 4 , consensus reach C . Round 5 Excellent value A-, Round 6 really tough to grade, smallish inside injured backer with talent- B, Round 7 combined seem to be good picks too , B again .. Seems to me it all equals a sold ..B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Meh. I care more about Goldfish’s ranking of our draft over in the NFL Draft forum than I do about these writers, some of whom are bribed (with information access) to give high draft grades to a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 9 minutes ago, turtle28 said: I’d say the forum and most Redskins fans believe we had a an A- or B+ Grade. The talking heads had us averaged out as a B. I think our last two drafts have been A-/B+ drafts. And if you adjust one spot for burgundy & gold bias, it's a B+/B. It's not that far off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 11 minutes ago, turtle28 said: I think our last two drafts have been A-/B+ drafts. We don't have much left of the 2016 draft: 1.21 (21) -> traded to Houston in draft (for 22 and 2017 6th (2017 6.25 (209) = WR Robert Davis)) 1.22 (22) WR Josh Doctson 2.22 (53) S Su'a Cravens -> traded to Denver in 2018 3.21 (84) CB Kendall Fuller -> traded to Kansas City in 2018 4.22 (120) -> traded to New Orleans in draft (for 152 and 2017 5th (2017 5.10 (154) = TE Jeremy Sprinkle)) 5.13 (152) DT Matt Ioannidis 5.19 (158) -> traded to NY Jets in draft (for 2017 4th (2017 4.07 (114) = RB Samaje Perine)) 6.12 (187) QB Nate Sudfeld -> waived Sep 2, 2017 6.22 (197) -> traded to Tampa Bay in 2015 (for 232 and S Dashon Goldson -> released Mar 7, 2016) 7.11 (232) ILB Steven Daniels -> waived May 2, 2017 7.21 (242) RB Keith Marshall If I were Marshall, I would be leasing month-to-month, and to be honest, I wouldn't be getting a mortgage if I were Ioannidis (given that the team has used two 1st round consecutive picks at my position group). Yes, I think Ioannidis makes the roster and gets playing time this year. I would also assume he's either traded or a free agent walk away after the 2019 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 33 minutes ago, Woz said: We don't have much left of the 2016 draft: 1.21 (21) -> traded to Houston in draft (for 22 and 2017 6th (2017 6.25 (209) = WR Robert Davis)) 1.22 (22) WR Josh Doctson 2.22 (53) S Su'a Cravens -> traded to Denver in 2018 3.21 (84) CB Kendall Fuller -> traded to Kansas City in 2018 4.22 (120) -> traded to New Orleans in draft (for 152 and 2017 5th (2017 5.10 (154) = TE Jeremy Sprinkle)) 5.13 (152) DT Matt Ioannidis 5.19 (158) -> traded to NY Jets in draft (for 2017 4th (2017 4.07 (114) = RB Samaje Perine)) 6.12 (187) QB Nate Sudfeld -> waived Sep 2, 2017 6.22 (197) -> traded to Tampa Bay in 2015 (for 232 and S Dashon Goldson -> released Mar 7, 2016) 7.11 (232) ILB Steven Daniels -> waived May 2, 2017 7.21 (242) RB Keith Marshall If I were Marshall, I would be leasing month-to-month, and to be honest, I wouldn't be getting a mortgage if I were Ioannidis (given that the team has used two 1st round consecutive picks at my position group). Yes, I think Ioannidis makes the roster and gets playing time this year. I would also assume he's either traded or a free agent walk away after the 2019 season. I meant 2017 & 18. 2016 was on McCloughan. Why do you assume that Ioannidis won’t get a 2nd contract? I think they’ll keep him as well as Allen & Payne on 2nd contracts if they all play well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 34 minutes ago, Woz said: 1.22 (22) WR Josh Doctson He's slated to start, good pick. 34 minutes ago, Woz said: 2.22 (53) S Su'a Cravens -> traded to Denver in 2018 Pretty terrible pick knowing what we know now. I still don't think the guy is fast enough to play Safety in the NFL, and he apparently whines about playing LBer. I expect him to be completely out of the league in a year or two. 35 minutes ago, Woz said: 3.21 (84) CB Kendall Fuller -> traded to Kansas City in 2018 He was a good pick. He would have started for us this year. Just because we traded him doesn't make him a bad pick. 36 minutes ago, Woz said: 5.13 (152) DT Matt Ioannidis Great pick in the 5th. Solid starter. 37 minutes ago, Woz said: 6.12 (187) QB Nate Sudfeld -> waived Sep 2, 2017 Oh well. Dude was a 6th round pick. 37 minutes ago, Woz said: 7.11 (232) ILB Steven Daniels -> waived May 2, 2017 Oh well. Dude was a 7th round pick. 38 minutes ago, Woz said: 7.21 (242) RB Keith Marshall Can't seem to stay healthy. We landed 3 solid starters in this draft. That is a successful draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezy Fanatic Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Last I checked Nate Sudfield led the Eagles to a Super Bowl, something pretty boy Alex Smith has never accomplished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 38 minutes ago, MKnight82 said: He's slated to start, good pick. Pretty terrible pick knowing what we know now. I still don't think the guy is fast enough to play Safety in the NFL, and he apparently whines about playing LBer. I expect him to be completely out of the league in a year or two. He was a good pick. He would have started for us this year. Just because we traded him doesn't make him a bad pick. Great pick in the 5th. Solid starter. Oh well. Dude was a 6th round pick. Oh well. Dude was a 7th round pick. Can't seem to stay healthy. We landed 3 solid starters in this draft. That is a successful draft. As long as Doctson lives up to his potential and what we all think he can be, it’ll he considered a good draft. Like most drafts, it mostly falls on the first two picks working out, but in this case Fuller did and Ioannidis has too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Jeezy Fanatic said: Last I checked Nate Sudfield led the Eagles to a Super Bowl, something pretty boy Alex Smith has never accomplished. ? Well, Doug Williams did say if he had been in the 2017 draft that he would’ve been a 2nd round pick. And I’m sure Mike McCarthy would say the same seeing as he thinks Kizer would’ve been a 1st round pick in the 2018 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 1 hour ago, turtle28 said: Why do you assume that Ioannidis won’t get a 2nd contract? I think they’ll keep him as well as Allen & Payne on 2nd contracts if they all play well. They also took Settle. If they're serious about running a 3-4, they now have a reasonable three man front: Payne - Settle - Allen. Ioannidis doesn't fit there. If they are going to move to a four man front: Kerrigan - Allen - Payne/Settle - Smith (for now). Ioannidis doesn't fit there either. It's not because the Redskins won't want to keep him. It's that he'll want playing time and the moves they've made make it hard for him to get it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 1 hour ago, MKnight82 said: We landed 3 solid starters in this draft. That is a successful draft. In terms of picks, yes. In terms of value to the franchise, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, Woz said: In terms of picks, yes. In terms of value to the franchise, not so much. Can you expand, cause I'm not following. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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