Nikola Jokic ATG

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1 hour ago, jrry32 said:

To be clear, I don't think it's clear that Jokic is a better all around player than peak Kobe. But we're limited to speaking about offense.

On stats, I could toss out that Jokic's best season in terms of Offensive Win Shares would only be LeBron's fifth best season. I could point out that Jokic's best season in Offensive Box Plus/Minus would only be LeBron's third best season. I could then point to the playoffs where Jokic's playoff performance this year in terms of offensive win shares would only be tied with two LeBron seasons for LeBron's third best year and that LeBron had two clearly better years in the playoffs in terms of OBPM. I could point out that Jokic's best season in terms of PPG (27.1) wouldn't even rank in LeBron's top 10 PPG seasons.

But bluntly, I don't believe those stats determine who the better player is any more than the stats you posted do. I would simply be cherry picking the stats that support my argument. I think peak LeBron was better from watching him. The stats are like a drunk using a light post: for support, not illumination.

Don't see much of a case that can be made at this point but we can leave that aside.

I think that last paragraph is fair to say but would point out I have mostly refrained from using actual numbers outside of contextualizing and then also that link, which is far more comprehensive of an example than the numbers in your second paragraph. The more you look into it, I imagine you'd find more and more numbers, signals, and indicators that point to there being more of a debate than you might think as opposed to only a few things looking cherry picked either way.