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Agreed! Release (most of) the others!

And that's going to make them better how? Who's playing QB?

How has his contract negatively impacted them? I understand he didn't perform last year. But how is that contract making the Giants worse?

This is it.. in a weird way it's almost comforting that they're not pulling the trigger and convincing themselves that these QBs are going to turn into something. Even if Levis hits in Tennessee, statistically speaking that is not a good bet. The Jones contract isn't even bad. As of today, he's 14th in AAV among QBs. Yes, his 2024 cap hit is among the highest but they're out of it if they want after this year. And without getting the guy in the draft, you're looking for a middle of the road QB like... daniel jones. saying he is the right QB for now is not saying he's your franchise guy. I hate to burst some bubbles but if they went after a Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Russell Wilson, Jimmy Garoppolo, etc. we'd be in just as bad a spot. So where exactly are they getting their QBOTF whether they won that MIN game or not?

I'm overall in agreement with you on this projection. However, I think they could probably slip Elijah Chatman onto the PS. Carter Coughlin is not a lock to me either. He definitely has ST value but they also have a variety of players that can fill that role (Darius Muasau, Dyontae Johnson, Isaiah Simmons). I like Gervarrius Owens but I'm not sure they're ready to have him as one of only 4 safeties. I could see Jalen Mills as a 5th safety and Owens being more of a core ST if he makes the roster.

I will admit Plaxico is very surprising

Yep- totally understood your argumentation the whole time but Cruz is more recent, had a stronger emotional tie to the area being from Paterson and fans just generally took to him way more than Nicks. It's a subjective list meant to excite fans so I think some of the direct logic is deprioritized.

This is exactly it. Schoen is trying to box the agent into a corner by saying if we offer 25mil does it get it done. The agent hadn't even talked to every team at that point so why would he agree to that? If a team offers 40mil then Saquon would obviously take that. 25mil was not and never was a real offer so this suggestion that he left over 1mil is simply not accurate

I disagree.. I think everything Schoen said in that conversation was not real. He was just trying to get Berry to be specific so Schoen had as many facts as possible. His message back to Mara always would have been it's too much. Look at the names they mention at RB. That's the market Schoen wanted to be in. Everything else was handling the situation with care to let his owner down as easy as possible. Berry knew this too. That's why he didn't answer the question. He knew the Giants were never going to be near that number. Both sides knew the only way Barkley was back was if he effectively had no market. To suggest Barkley was leaving over $1M is simply not the case.

Interesting. I'll guess Cruz makes it. The numbers are almost identical and I think there is more of an emotional connection to Cruz as a local kid, underdog, etc.

Where are you getting the information that Cruz and Plaxico aren't making the list?

So let me caveat this with: I don't have stats to back this up BUT I'm saying guys are either slot guys or outside guys in our offense, and not many can do both. Not just about slot guys. My feelings also could just be the result of a bad WR room in general LOL. But you've already mentioned Wan'Dale. We all know he can't play outside. Hyatt couldn't run a full route tree. He can't really do damage in the slot except for getting a free release. He was rather one dimensional. Isaiah Hodgins could do both in the sense that he isn't great at doing either. He's just not a good WR. Same thing for Parris Campbell. You wrote him off - and I agree - but the Giants pretty much made him a slot only guy. In his prime, Shep was one of those guys but obviously was cooked last season. And finally, Slayton. Slayton is a good WR. He has outside-inside versatility. But even he falls short of being a mismatch in either place. I guess the long and short of it is we are too easy for a defense to gameplan against or adjust to. That's why DJ's legs were so important in 2022. So I agree the Giants were not a group of slot-only WRs. But I personally don't love relying on guys like Wan'Dale. Useful player but limited. The type of guy that has a good long career on a bad team, but is a WR4-5 on a good team.

IMO there's a difference between lining up in the slot and being a slot-only player. Wan'Dale is a slot only player, which limits his ceiling and makes him easier to defend. It's more about having an alpha receiver that has inside/outside versatility, who can then line up in the slot to create mismatches. Malik Nabers can definitely be that person. But last year, too many of the guys were one dimensional (either slot only or outside only).

Jersey numbers are one of the most popular topics post-NFL draft season, as draft picks and UDFAs pick numbers for rookie minicamp. So this seems like a good time to mention that I absolutely hate the Giants jersey number situation. They handed number retirements out like candy and now it’s an issue every year. I realize this is not a real problem – who cares – but I care! It’s part of the marketability of players. Anyway, here is my minimum criteria for number retirements: Permanent retirement: 1. Died while an active player (morbid, I know). This covers your Pat Tillmans, Thurman Munson in baseball, etc. 2. Played more than half your career with the team AND are considered an all-time great in the entire sport years after your retirement. 3. Played more than half your career with the team AND won were a key player in multiple championships. 4. Played more than half your career with the team AND hold the all-time record for a major statistical category (note: becomes not permanent if record is broken) 75-year retirement (from year of player retirement) Why 75 years? It reasonably spans multiple generations. At 50 years, you could feasibly still be alive and an active fan when one of your favorite players’ number retirements happens: 1. Played more than half your career with the team AND finished your career in the top-10 of a major statistical category. 2. Played more than half your career with the team AND were a key player in a championship. 3. Played more than half your career with the team AND won an MVP while with the team 4. Played more than half your career with the team AND was an All-Pro 3x while with the team With these guidelines in mind, what would that do to our current jersey retirement situation? 1 - Ray Flaherty – no retirement. Should have never been retired. 4 - Tuffy Leemans – 75-year retirement. At least spent 8 seasons with the team, had multiple All-Pro selections and won a championship. Number would already be back in circulation. 7 - Mel Hein – 75-year retirement. He is deserving due to an incredibly long career for the Giants and excellence for the time. Number would already be back in circulation. 10 – Eli Manning - Permanent retirement. Eli is obviously deserving for multiple SBs, SB MVPs and tenure with the team 11 – Phil Simms – Permanent retirement. 2x SB champ incl. an MVP. He is on the lower end of permanent retirement because I don’t believe he’s seen as an all-time great in the sport and will fade into obscurity more over time. 14 - Y.A. Tittle / Ward Cuff – No retirement. Y.A. Tittle is obviously a HoF player, but he only played for the Giants for a few seasons. Even having statistical excellence during his tenure with the NYG, he never won a championship. Ward Cuff should not have his number retired. 16 – Frank Gifford – permanent retirement. Still considered an all-time great. Spent entire career with NYG. 4x All-Pro 32 – Al Blozis – permanent retirement. Sadly was killed in action during playing career. 40 – Joe Morrison – no retirement. This is a classic ring of honor type player. Long career all with NYG. A great for his time. Never won anything. 42 – Charlie Conerly – 75-year retirement. Long tenure with NYG and a championship. 50 – Ken Strong – 75 year retirement. Played more than half his career with NYG and was a key player in a championship. Number would already be back in circulation. 56 – Lawrence Taylor – Permanent retirement. Widely considered on of the best players of all time. Redefined the LB position. 92 – Michael Strahan – permanent retirement. This may hurt many of us but Strahan only sneaks into my permanent retirement criteria due to holding the single-season sack record. Once that is broken, he would slip into the 75-year retirement. With these rules, we would already have 1, 4, 7, 14, 40 and 50 back in circulation. 42 would open up in 12 years. Okay, go ahead and comment what you would change!

Sure, the most likely scenario is obviously that he's cut..... but there is an easy argument to be made to keep him over Isaiah Hodgins. Their production is effectively the same over the last 2 seasons. Robinson would cost about $200K more than Hodgins if he's on vet minimum. On paper, it's a basic toss-up of what player would you rather have.