bigbadbuff Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 “These Bills defenses” The one where Allen kept giving them leads in KC in the playoffs and the defense **** the bed time and time again including 13 seconds? The Bills defense that couldn’t get to Burrow in the playoffs when they had what 3 back up lineman playing? The Bills defense that has shat away 4 games this season with leads and taking the field with sub 3 minutes left? The Bills defense has been crap when it matters most for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BILLievers Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 4 hours ago, CP3MVP said: I don’t know if his resume is gonna be better because I don’t ever see him winning an mvp or making a Super Bowl. all I’m seeing is random counting stat records here in this thread. Not worth my time and I hate to break it to you but he will. Let’s revisit this in 10 years when Allen is top 3-5 of all time in Touchdowns with a ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BILLievers Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 1 hour ago, bigbadbuff said: “These Bills defenses” The one where Allen kept giving them leads in KC in the playoffs and the defense **** the bed time and time again including 13 seconds? The Bills defense that couldn’t get to Burrow in the playoffs when they had what 3 back up lineman playing? The Bills defense that has shat away 4 games this season with leads and taking the field with sub 3 minutes left? The Bills defense has been crap when it matters most for years. Yeah he’s dumb. Our defense has been terrible when it matters most lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbuff Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 30 minutes ago, The BILLievers said: Not worth my time and I hate to break it to you but he will. Let’s revisit this in 10 years when Allen is top 3-5 of all time in Touchdowns with a ring. I ain’t predicting a ring lol. Too flukey unless you’re Brady or Mahomes haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbertGOAT Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 7 hours ago, The BILLievers said: Allen will have four straight 40+ touchdown seasons which has only been done by like 3-4 QBs, all that are in or will be in the HOF. Josh Allen is better than Phillip Rivers lol. Not going to argue with a Pats fan but he just is. He's also only 27; his resume at the end of his career will best Rivers'. Rate metrics are more important. Allen throws the ball much more because 15 years ago it wasn't just pass pass pass like it is today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbertGOAT Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 4 hours ago, bigbadbuff said: Yeah not like Rivers didn’t have a number one offense and defense one year and missed the playoffs…. Rivers leads the #1 yardage, #2 scoring offense, 2nd in Points Per Drive and led the league in Passing Yards with Jackson missing 11 games, Gates missing 6 games, Floyd missing 5 games, Patrick Crayton as his #2 WR for most of the year Defense 1st in yards (mainly because of the DEAD LAST special teams), but 10th in points allowed, 28th in RZ TD% Tied the NFL record for players used (74) due to insane amounts of injuries As I said before, WORST SPECIAL TEAMS POSSIBLY IN NFL HISTORY https://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2014/4/24/5646068/throwback-thursday-the-worst-special-teams-unit-of-all-time Rivers fault!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbuff Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 20 minutes ago, HerbertGOAT said: Rate metrics are more important. Allen throws the ball much more because 15 years ago it wasn't just pass pass pass like it is today. Meh yes but also having zero rushing threat outside of himself has play into what defenses expect right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbuff Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 1 minute ago, HerbertGOAT said: Rivers leads the #1 yardage, #2 scoring offense, 2nd in Points Per Drive and led the league in Passing Yards with Jackson missing 11 games, Gates missing 6 games, Floyd missing 5 games, Patrick Crayton as his #2 WR for most of the year Defense 1st in yards (mainly because of the DEAD LAST special teams), but 10th in points allowed, 28th in RZ TD% Tied the NFL record for players used (74) due to insane amounts of injuries As I said before, WORST SPECIAL TEAMS POSSIBLY IN NFL HISTORY https://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2014/4/24/5646068/throwback-thursday-the-worst-special-teams-unit-of-all-time Rivers fault!!!! I never said anything about Rivers being bad lol. He’s a HOF QB. I just think Josh is better. If i compared Josh to Mahomes, Brady, Manning, Rodgers etc it’s different but we aren’t. Just because I think Allen is better doesn’t mean I think Rivers isn’t great lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbertGOAT Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Just now, bigbadbuff said: Meh yes but also having zero rushing threat outside of himself has play into what defenses expect right? That's fair. Rivers is quite possibly the least mobile great QB ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbertGOAT Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Just now, bigbadbuff said: I never said anything about Rivers being bad lol. He’s a HOF QB. I just think Josh is better. If i compared Josh to Mahomes, Brady, Manning, Rodgers etc it’s different but we aren’t. Just because I think Allen is better doesn’t mean I think Rivers isn’t great lol. Once again, fair. I don't think we've seen the best of Josh Allen yet. When he really hits his peak he will be better than Rivers, but as of right now Rivers prime was better than Allen right now IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbuff Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, HerbertGOAT said: Once again, fair. I don't think we've seen the best of Josh Allen yet. When he really hits his peak he will be better than Rivers, but as of right now Rivers prime was better than Allen right now IMO. I think Allen’s 2020 season was the best season either of them have had. If we go by multiple years it’s closer for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted December 13, 2023 Author Share Posted December 13, 2023 5 hours ago, bigbadbuff said: Yeah not like Rivers didn’t have a number one offense and defense one year and missed the playoffs…. That was never really the number one defense unless you care about yards lol. Allen has had clearly superior defenses. Even right now he’s in the 11th seed with a top 7 scoring defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted December 13, 2023 Author Share Posted December 13, 2023 5 hours ago, bigbadbuff said: “These Bills defenses” The one where Allen kept giving them leads in KC in the playoffs and the defense **** the bed time and time again including 13 seconds? The Bills defense that couldn’t get to Burrow in the playoffs when they had what 3 back up lineman playing? The Bills defense that has shat away 4 games this season with leads and taking the field with sub 3 minutes left? The Bills defense has been crap when it matters most for years. What were the chargers defense when it matters the most lol? They gave up 41 to the patriots in his last playoff game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted December 13, 2023 Author Share Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, The BILLievers said: Not worth my time and I hate to break it to you but he will. Let’s revisit this in 10 years when Allen is top 3-5 of all time in Touchdowns with a ring. There’s no evidence or any reason to believe he’s winning a title but ok. The Bills are actually regressing. Edited December 13, 2023 by CP3MVP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted December 13, 2023 Author Share Posted December 13, 2023 42 minutes ago, bigbadbuff said: I never said anything about Rivers being bad lol. He’s a HOF QB. I just think Josh is better. If i compared Josh to Mahomes, Brady, Manning, Rodgers etc it’s different but we aren’t. Just because I think Allen is better doesn’t mean I think Rivers isn’t great lol. He’s closer to rivers than any of those guys though. Unless you’re one of those people that tries to force a Mahomes convo based off losing to him in the playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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