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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/41439238/browns-deshaun-watson-not-seeking-more-designed-qb-run-plays Safe to say I loathe this guy more than any player I've ever watched. The absolute only chance of salvaging a shred of anything with this **** is if they give him double digit running opportunities. And he's like, nah I'm just going to continue burying everyone into the ground while cashing my checks. This is worse than anyone could have imagined. Historic sports embarrassment on display here with this acquisition.

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who likes the orange pants? 1. love em 2. hate em 3. don'i care

Players, including QBs, play at less then 100% all the time. This situation is obviously not just about him having a sore shoulder. If he was playing well does anyone think he'd still be sitting out? This is the result of suddenly looking like an awful quarterback after getting a ground breaking guaranteed contract. They're freaking out. He's freaking out.

Stating the obvious...everything that's happening is a result of giving a guy the richest contract in NFL history to then have the guy look absolutely cooked and not able to play anymore. Stefanski isn't about to entertain any kind of injury liability where he can be blamed for him not playing well. In the short term I think it's basic, regardless of the medical clearance, he's not giving the team the best chance to win right now. He's clearly broken. ..be it psychologically, physically, or both. And especially with how the Baker injury played out last season..where Baker was physically capable but still hurt to some degree, (and imo, was trying to play through it as an excuse for any bad play)....He's not gonna even touch any of that with DeShaun. Was it the right move to try an acquire a 26yr old top ten QB that was only available because of off field transgressions? Of course it was. That's an analytics home run right there. Is it too early to say that it was an epic mistake and likely the worst contract ever? No..not really. Besides the results, the guy just looks completely defeated. He was fairly content to watch that game and save himself from further scrutiny. He has no idea what's going on with his play. And the team doesn't know for sure either..how could anyone. My two cents is that he's lost considerable explosion and it's affected his footwork and mechanics. But I think it's also clear he's not as cerebral as he presented in Houston and still hasn't really grasped the offense. It'll play out because there's nothing else to do. If he sits some more imo it's simply about him or the team protecting his or their brand. After they made such an unprecedented move in acquiring him, if he continues to play so poorly it's detrimental to the entire organization. Sitting him or excusing it to injury would be some measure of damage control. If he plays it could be about trying to scale down the offense and hope he doesn't make major mistakes..like Stef did with Baker at points. Or possibly turning him into a run first guy like Daboll did with Daniel Jones. If Deshaun is really ready to die on a hill that an injury is preventing him from looking like the old DeShaun then maybe IR is the best for everyone.

to be clear, I don't like Watson. Shocking that Stefanski effectively benched him. I didn't think he had big enough stones to do that. It's not straightforward because he can present it like an injury situation but if he was playing well he definitely would've gone back in. I figured Watson crumbling was going to torpedo Stefanski unfairly but he's leveraged tf out the mess the last two weeks.

Chiefs supporting cast is embarrassing. Plus the injury to Kelce.

Essentially Mahomes is doing as much as Allen or arguably more, with much less.

strictly 2023 season thru 4 weeks... 1. Patrick Mahomes 2. Tua Tagovailoa 3. Matt Stafford 4. Justin Herbert 5. Josh Allen 6. Brock Purdy 7. Jalen Hurts 8. Dak Prescott 9. Lamar Jackson 10. Baker Mayfield 11. CJ Stroud 12. Russell Wilson 13. Jared Goff 14. Trevor Lawrence 15. Jordan Love 16. Derek Carr 17. Anthony Richardson 18. Bryce Young 19. Joe Burrow 20. Geno Smith 21. Josh Dobbs 22. Kirk Cousins 23. Mac Jones 24. Jimmy Garoppolo 25. DeShaun Watson 26. Justin Fields 27. Ryan Tannehill 28. Daniel Jones 29. Kenny Pickett 30. Sam Howell 31. Desmond Ridder 32. Zach Wilson

I think this is the tell. He's bigger, heavier footed, not as explosive and not as well conditioned. This creates a cascade of issues with his footwork, mechanics, velocity, and accuracy. Then his processing seems sluggish as he's struggling to learn a new scheme for first time. Brissett was considerably better than him last season. Stefanski doesn't have Shanny cred but this might actually be the move in the near future. DTR might be the better QB in the offense. I think Watson was a playmaker first and foremost. He had a knack for making spectacular throws and scrambles/runs. Now it's as if he's aged 3x past that near 3yr lay off. Add in the intense pressure, scrutiny, character and cognitive shortcomings exposed and also learning a new pro offense......he's about cooked. Stefanski is a good coach and coordinator but he's for sure the first scapegoat in the queue. It's bleak.

Staring a new thread to compensate for my negativity.... Probably harder than spying a bust, who's a consensus low rated guy or even UDFA that you're convinced will be a boom player, or at the very least... a guy that'll considerably outplay expectations? CB Kei'Trel Clark Felt like I was watching a smaller Devon Witherspoon at times with Clark. OC Luke Wypler He's small but he just kicks ***. And he's been largely overlooked this draft season. OT Ryan Hayes Looked embarrassingly bad at senior week practices but he's linear athletic and a good technician. TE Daniel Barker Great ball skills and a fluid mover that's been completely lost in the shuffle. LB Amari Burney Former safety is still growing, and needs to, but can cover well and hit way above his weight. RB Cameron Peoples Didn't watch him till late but I was really impressed. Great size, feet and running instincts.

Final rankings up and some final voluminous comps to chew... Bryce Young - Joe Montana-esque Hendon Hooker - 2022 DeShaun Watson Will Levis - arm talent Taysom Hill Anthony Richardson - bigger Michael Vick CJ Stroud - mobile Jared Goff Deuce Vaughn - pocket Devonta Freeman Zach Charbonnet - Demarco Murray Bijan Robinson - LaDainian Tomlinson Jahmyr Gibbs - Raheem Mostert Sean Tucker -faster Devin Singletary Izzy Abanikanda - Felix Jones Mo Ibrahim - Javon Ringer Tyjae Spears - Jerick McKinnon Jaxon Smith-Njigba - Christian Kirk Quentin Johnston - Antonio Bryant Jordan Addison - lean Robert Woods Michael Wilson - Hines Ward Josh Downs - Randall Cobb-lite Zay Flowers - Victor Cruz Jonathan Mingo - Niles Paul Matt Landers - dormant Christian Watson Cedric Tillman - Tre'Quan Smith Micheal Mayer - Anthony Fasano Brenton Strange - Vance McDonald Sam LaPorta - Austin Hooper Will Anderson Jr - angry Jabaal Sheard Nolan Smith - mid Khalil Mack Tyree Wilson - Jason Jones Keon White - Pernell McPhee Devon Witherspoon - Devin McCourty Christian Gonzalez - lean Patrick Surtain Emmanuel Forbes - faster Greedy Williams Kei'Trel Clark - Denzel Ward Juju Brents - Dontae Johnson Tae Banks - Vontae Davis DJ Turner - Buster Skrine Jaylon Jones - Josh Norman Drew Sanders - quicker Kyle Van Noy Ivan Pace Jr - Dexter Coakley Amari Burney - Alex Singleton Ventrell Miller - Quincy Williams Trenton Simpson - heavy Keanu Neal Sirvoccea Dennis - Larry Foote Jack Campbell - Jordan Zumwalt BJ Ojulari - Jeremiah Attaochu Will McDonald - long armed Kiki Mingo Lukas Van Ness - Aaron Smith Jalen Carter - 325lb Shaun Rogers Mazi Smith - Brandon Williams Brian Bresee - Margus Hunt Adetomiwa Adebawore - Javon Hargrave Siaki Ika - Star Lotulelei Keeanu Benton - Carl Davis Myles Murphy - Za'darius Smith Broderick Jones - Elgton Jenkins Paris Johnson Jr - Will Beatty Asim Richards - Taylor Moton Anton Harrison - bigger Jeff Allen Darnell Wright - mean Cordy Glenn Joe Fisher - Garret Bolles John Michael-Schmitz - Maurkice Pouncey Luke Wypler - Jeff Saturday

Picking this thread up again. 2022, 2020 & 2019 are interesting reads and my track record isn't bad although looks to be getting worse. So once again this year.... what's a consensus high rated guy that'll either be a bust, or not live up to expectations? *TBC I'm lower on these guys but I'm not saying I think every one of them will be busts...just candidates. DT Keeanu Benton Built like a nose but wants to be a pass rusher. Not sure he'll end up being either. He won't have as much of a power advantage as a pro and isn't quick enough or technique capable enough to threaten as a rusher. DT Brian Bresee He comes off like a freight train but changes direction like one too. And when he's high he can be wiped off the planet. DE BJ Ojulari Framework, athleticism and age are on his side. But imo he isn't twitchy or powerful and gets defeated too easily at the poa. LB Jack Campbell He might be a coach one day and he tested like a great athlete but he doesn't play like it. He's not winning confrontations, doesn't fire to the ball and doesn't have good contact balance. OL Matt Bergeron Super aggressive and athletic. But he's a liability from a strength perspective. He might eventually grow into a solid OT but I think he'll get thrown around if he's in there from the jump. ED Will McDonald Big time Kiki Mingo vibes. He's punching up nicely and he can run but he's tight hipped and nearly always underpowered.