The Orca

Good thing we were scum cause I was pretty bad minus Pickle, Dome and Mwil reads lol.

1. I totally can see why someone would think Pickle was scummy. But purely why I had him as town was why he was appearing scummy. Swag basically red lettered him during the day on Day 1 and he basically had enough votes it was over regardless what he said. The laspes and mischaracterizing of posts were imo frustration based and being screwed on D1 by Swag he misspoke/remembered. His reads based off how people voted him were great though lol. I dont think it was wrong or bad from Pickle or some that voted him...just didnt turn out good for him or town...it happens. How it started wasnt though. Clear Swag faked it 2. I havent read the discord but I could bet it went both ways and given how Pickle was lynched the 4/4 is somewhat justified cause his actual top 4 was correct. Could he characterize it better, maybe. I liken it to what you were referring to with Rags and the 20 names. His actual top 4 was right so in theory he was 4/4 at the end of day 1. 4/7 based on the list/names given as a whole. Similar concept to the exaggeration....used to make his point stand out as well 3. Hopefully someone clues you in on the last few games. I think it was progress with my gameplay, though this game I was really lazy lol 4. I would like you to know I am sorry and truly apologize for the events and posts that lead to our spat. I take full responsibility and frustration blinded me. I am sorry

I thought he was scum converter

The two posts above pretty much keyed us in on you having a power role, alignment varied over the course of the game Yep pretty much. Thought you were scum though most of the game if not all lol

Hopefully I helped influence that push lol (probably not though)

@theuntouchable @Ragnarok I thank you for your effort (what follows doesnt neccesarily pertain explicitly to you or intended toward you, but a good post to add from here), however somewhere along the way I do feel the "help" and discussion went in a different direction and is repeated ad nauseam as a way to demean, antagonize, and be an *** towards us. The "help" rags was trying to provide was nothing more than a backhanded and fronthanded way to piss Pickle off by complaining about a list and number of people. Nothing wrong with either in terms of how Pickle played and presented all of it. Limiting his D1 to 5 names instead of 11 wont make a difference Others have also went down this line of "help" that either makes no sense at all or is intentionally antagonistic. It's not just 1 or 2 people. Again, as I have discussed with others, if you dont want the chest beating, treat others similarly after the game and also acknowledge the definition of a good game and bad game varies widely from player to player in all aspects People are treated differently because of biases that have persisted and for unknown reasons. You say Mwil and Forge are not complete blanks when someone presents a differing opinion...well they havent spent 3 years of people repeatedly saying their opinions are trash, reads are trash, game play trash, need to be policy lynched, intellect attacked, people quitting because they keep their opinion even when others pound home their opinion is wrong, etc. I can go on and on. It's a long term thing. Also, presenting help and criticism is different in all cases. If someone says, I think you could have done better by doing this...great help and input and intake increases...someone says, you ******* suck and are trash...nothing said after will help or be listened to (you have mentioned this I believe between you and me the last few months in thread, well amplify that over years) I have listened even though you think I have not. I have played the last few games calmer even though it's hard to see at times. To the point someone said I was being too nice to Swag lol. I think it comes down to being respectful and it rarely happens, but it will come, I do believe from all sides

Most games. I'm actually gonna start keeping track in thread on the numbers for fun

Nah that's not the reason, but if he will vote you, at least someone else is open to it when I have a positive invest on you or catch you via the thread

@Malfatronshould be putting a game up within hours I have heard

Hopefully you play in a lot more games. Enjoyed having you in this one

Swag didnt even lynch him the 2nd time lol

I hope not. I hope we take the approach I posted in the last game thread This is a lie lol...dont lie you scum dog Go for it, I can go next. I still have to narrow down some of the setup. It's a tad complicated with the German names lol

On a serious note... @theuntouchable @Ragnarok Take a page from @Matts4313, he has had some amazing input on playing with @Pickle Rick and myself Also, so Pickle named 11 people in a 22 person game...he zeroed in on 7 at the end of D1 and 4 were scum and there were 7 scum Swag names like 120% of the names (sometimes even some not playing lol) by that point usually lol. Learn to play with it instead of criticizing it while exaggerating what actually transpired and even its impacts @Matts4313 has taken a huge leap forward and imo it has propelled his play and as town we have been able to work well together and drown scum People play differently and for different reasons @MWil23 and @Forge for example It works for them and they usually have fun playing their own way. I believe it's time to end the attempt to change and accept playing styles and maybe change will come in time anyways I'd love to play with you all where we work together and discuss in thread and bounce ideas etc...it has worked well with some recently and in the scum chat with @Malfatron, @daboyle250 @ET80I think it was done extremely well. I get it wont be smooth due to alignments, roles, etc, but an openness is the first step to accepting of each other and the way people play We really dont need inactivness and things like @Dome described as happening in a Mason chat in a previous game lol

You are going to get put on Touch's naughty list if you keep this up

Why did you lynch Daboyle?

Isnt that @mission27s title?

Thinking about it, this is true as well lol...such an awesome game

After the flavor change I think they told me to claim him...that would have been interesting

I was gonna straight claim my moves, but that would have probably been worse lol. Malf took my fake claim as well lol

At this point I encourage it because you are intentionally making **** up and acting all high and mighty basing it on past games and lies this game...but you keep doing you as well lol

Would have changed the outcome...that close from a miserable defeat lol

Lol. Not what's happening but you do you

I thought you were the vig because you seemed to be fishing for who roleblocked you and that there should have been another kill lol I mentioned to Malf that you probably only had 1 or you would have used it a few more times...still seemed like you were indy lol