incognito_man Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) Inspired by @beekay414, I set off this evening to construct a trade value chart to mimic reality. So, I thought "what better way to determine a player's value than their career earnings" and then "what better way to compare a player to his peers than their career earnings?" It accounts naturally for real-life positional comparison (and thus, a worthy mapping for a draft class). Methodology: (1) Normalize the top "x" number of career earners for each draft class. I wanted to see each draft class individually compared to itself. I assigned a value of 1000 to the top earner. The second highest earner would then get a value proportional to their career earnings compared to the top guy. If he earned 75% as much, he would get 750. I repeated this process for the data I had (roughly 60-80 guys per class). (2) Plot the data and the median value of each slot to find a trendline. It turns out, a logarithmic curve through the first 3 rounds is a really damn good fit (R^2 of 0.995). It's a much better representation than exponential. (3) Use the trendline equation to set a baseline model. (4) Examine the range from across the classes. For example, the highest #2 earner recently is Dak Prescott earning 95.1% as much as highest earner Jared Goff from 2016. The lowest #2 earner is Clay Matthews III earning 31.4% as much as highest earner from 2009 Matthew Stafford. Thus the "Number Two Pick" has a range from 314 to 951 'points'. With the lower values representing a top-heavy (shallow) earners pool and higher values representing a more concentrated, less top-heavy earners class. Here's the 3-round TVC the numbers worked out to be using data from the 2006-2016 draft classes (grey = trendline based on median values, red = lowest relative earner, green = highest relative earner): Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Pick Points -STDEV +STDEV Pick Points -STDEV +STDEV Pick Points -STDEV +STDEV 1 1000 1000 1000 33 279 185 342 65 138 83 174 2 865 683 987 34 273 180 335 66 134 78 172 3 780 560 927 35 267 174 329 67 131 75 168 4 720 510 860 36 261 170 322 68 128 74 164 5 674 487 798 37 255 164 316 69 125 72 160 6 636 453 757 38 250 161 309 70 122 70 157 7 603 427 721 39 244 156 303 71 119 69 152 8 575 399 693 40 239 152 297 72 116 67 149 9 551 385 662 41 234 147 292 73 113 64 146 10 529 372 633 42 229 144 286 74 110 63 142 11 509 349 616 43 224 142 279 75 108 73 131 12 491 331 597 44 219 138 273 76 105 70 128 13 474 320 576 45 214 144 262 77 102 67 126 14 458 311 557 46 210 139 257 78 99 61 125 15 444 301 540 47 205 137 251 79 97 58 123 16 431 291 524 48 201 133 246 80 94 57 119 17 418 284 507 49 197 131 240 81 92 53 117 18 406 273 494 50 192 126 236 82 89 50 115 19 395 263 482 51 188 123 232 83 86 48 112 20 384 255 470 52 184 119 228 84 84 45 110 21 374 249 457 53 180 116 223 85 81 42 108 22 364 239 447 54 176 112 219 86 79 33 110 23 355 235 435 55 172 109 215 87 77 37 118 24 346 227 425 56 169 108 209 88 74 39 98 25 337 218 417 57 165 105 205 89 72 37 95 26 329 216 404 58 161 102 201 90 70 35 93 27 321 210 395 59 158 99 197 91 67 32 91 28 314 204 387 60 154 97 193 92 65 30 88 29 306 202 376 61 151 94 189 93 63 28 86 30 299 196 368 62 147 92 184 94 60 25 84 31 292 193 358 63 144 89 180 95 58 23 82 32 286 190 349 64 141 86 177 96 56 21 79 So, depending on the class, Picks 42 and 43 can be worth anywhere from pick 9 (deep class) to pick 27 (shallow class). Admittedly, this is a wider range than I expected. Another way to judge depth is to see what the first sequential earners whose sum equals the top earners is. For example, the 2015 draft class top earner is Amari Cooper at $119 million. #27 (Eric Kendricks) and #28 (Mitch Morse) have earned a combined $120 million (thus suggesting picks 27 and 28 were of equivalent value as pick #1 in 2015). On the other extreme, 2009's top earner is Matthew Stafford at $420 million. The next top 2 earners (Clay Matthews, Alex Mack) and #42 earner Josh Freeman combined to earn $421 million, thus suggesting the 2009 top pick was worth picks 2, 3 and 42 combined. Every other class fell between these two extremes. Graphically: Edited March 23, 2023 by incognito_man 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 This is pretty cool. I enjoy the work you put into this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Yes, something like this is exactly what we need as outsiders that can't get an inside look at team's big boards. Allows us to build our own, place our own grades on guys and then determine what the the TVC should look like on a yearly basis. Much more functional than just placing one concrete value on a pick and determining whether a team overpaid or underpaid in an all draft pick trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted March 23, 2023 Author Share Posted March 23, 2023 15 minutes ago, beekay414 said: Yes, something like this is exactly what we need as outsiders that can't get an inside look at team's big boards. Allows us to build our own, place our own grades on guys and then determine what the the TVC should look like on a yearly basis. Much more functional than just placing one concrete value on a pick and determining whether a team overpaid or underpaid in an all draft pick trade. know of any reputable and consistent draft grade databases I could pull pre-draft grades from for each class to see how the distribution aligns w/ the monetary results of that class? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, incognito_man said: know of any reputable and consistent draft grade databases I could pull pre-draft grades from for each class to see how the distribution aligns w/ the monetary results of that class? I do not, unfortunately. I know that NFL.com has grades on their guys but most other sites don't place values or haven't been around long enough to be able to input the data for a strong enough SS. Best you can do is probably find a site's big board and input it based on where those guys were eventually drafted and see how the value turned out? I dunno. I'm like Steve Jobs here. I just think of **** with no idea how to apply it in reality lmao. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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