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[Karnage84]

9 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said:

I disagree with that.  Baseball and hockey players get paid when in the minor leagues but are still prospects.  When an NFL player signs a deal in which they will play in the NFL or be on a practice squad, they aren't prospects.  If they get paid a few thousand dollars to come out to a rookie camp with no guarantee beyond that, they are prospects.  

They would fall into being "professional players in the minor leagues who are prospective major league players". 

The terminology that we're using is probably somewhat outdated now with NIL money. We used to refer to players pre-draft as 'amateurs' who would then transition into the professional ranks. Now that NIL has its place at the collegiate level, technically these kids coming into the NFL are already 'professional' level but not at the major league level. 

[Sllim Pickens]

8 minutes ago, Karnage84 said:

They would fall into being "professional players in the minor leagues who are prospective major league players". 

The terminology that we're using is probably somewhat outdated now with NIL money. We used to refer to players pre-draft as 'amateurs' who would then transition into the professional ranks. Now that NIL has its place at the collegiate level, technically these kids coming into the NFL are already 'professional' level but not at the major league level. 

Yeah, amateur and prospect are very different IMO.  To me, and mainly what I have seen used by media and others, is that a prospect is someone working their way to the top job.  Whether it be in business or sports or acting or whatever.  A prospect is someone trying to earn a job and that could entail working a lesser job for pay prior to that to gain experience or could be paying for college to learn your craft.  In the sports world, you go by league.  NFL and NBA (for the most part), you are in the big leagues once you are drafted.  You are fully expected to be on the main roster and make some sort of impact year 1, even if just on the practice squad. NHL and MLB is different, you are drafted and expected to marinate in the minor leagues for a while.  Some move quick like Connor Bedard/Wyatt Langford while others take time like Matt Manning.  And there is a big difference especially in baseball given you are either drafted as a high school kid or a three + year collegiate player.  Either way those guys are prospects until they get to the job they intend, which is the MLB/NHL.  Again for undrafted tryout people in the NFL, they probably aren't really prospects because nobody evaluated them at a high level to be drafted or even sign a preferred UDFA training camp contract, but technically they are still trying to reach that goal of securing a job in the NFL and currently don't have one.  

[detfan782004]

1 hour ago, Karnage84 said:

They would fall into being "professional players in the minor leagues who are prospective major league players". 

The terminology that we're using is probably somewhat outdated now with NIL money. We used to refer to players pre-draft as 'amateurs' who would then transition into the professional ranks. Now that NIL has its place at the collegiate level, technically these kids coming into the NFL are already 'professional' level but not at the major league level. 

Yea NIL changes it a lot for sure.  

[detfan782004]

As expected most these rookies are fizzling out. Couple I thought would make roster had some glowing reviews. 
 

It's the sign of a better roster when less of these kids make it though