youngosu Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 52 minutes ago, JustAnotherFan said: If the players aren't good enough to earn a draft selection by competing at the college level then they don't deserve a spot on an NFL roster to begin with. What? Hall of famers like Warren Moon and Kurt Warner would beg to differ. And that ignores the literally hundreds of undrafted players competing in the NFL right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 24 minutes ago, Ketchup said: Well that's just stupid. Not everyone develops to their peak at the age of 19-22. Some guys take a little longer to develop and show their skills. I never said they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 22 minutes ago, youngosu said: What? Hall of famers like Warren Moon and Kurt Warner would beg to differ. And that ignores the literally hundreds of undrafted players competing in the NFL right now. Versus how many that were drafted? 23 minutes ago, youngosu said: Hall of famers like Warren Moon and Kurt Warner would beg to differ. Hall of famers like Montana, Brady, Manning, Rodgers agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 The point is, there is no reason to start another development league when the way it is now works just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngosu Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, JustAnotherFan said: Versus how many that were drafted? Hall of famers like Montana, Brady, Manning, Rodgers agree. About 1/3rd of the NFL is undrafted players. That is pretty damn significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngosu Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, JustAnotherFan said: The point is, there is no reason to start another development league when the way it is now works just fine. Does it? Based on what? How do you know the NFL wouldn't be better if young players (especially QBs) had somewhere to go hone their craft? The NFL is the only professional league in the USA (and possibly the world) that doesn't have a professional league to develop talent in. But yeah, no good could come from it, okay...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, youngosu said: About 1/3rd of the NFL is undrafted players. That is pretty damn significant. I HIGHLY doubt that number but even if it were true, that still does not justify starting another developmental league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngosu Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, JustAnotherFan said: I HIGHLY doubt that number but even if it were true, that still does not justify starting another developmental league. Just to be clear, you are saying the NFL would be better off if players like Warren Moon and Kurt Warner never got their chance? And that number is 100% true despite your doubt. http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2014/09/07/400-players-on-NFL-rosters-never-heard-their-name-called-in-the-draft/stories/201409070235 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, youngosu said: Does it? Based on what? Based on the fact that here we are talking about the NFL after nearly 100 years of it's existence. That's how. 2 minutes ago, youngosu said: How do you know the NFL wouldn't be better if young players (especially QBs) had somewhere to go hone their craft? How do you know that it would? What are you gonna get 2000 players where maybe a 1 out every 500 make a contribution. And they already have somewhere to go to prove their worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, youngosu said: Just to be clear, you are saying the NFL would be better off if players like Warren Moon and Kurt Warner never got their chance? And that number is 100% true despite your doubt. http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2014/09/07/400-players-on-NFL-rosters-never-heard-their-name-called-in-the-draft/stories/201409070235 Read the article. They are also counting players that appeared on ACTIVE list for ONE game! Now that article was established in 2014, how many of those guys do you think are still active today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, youngosu said: Just to be clear, you are saying the NFL would be better off if players like Warren Moon and Kurt Warner never got their chance? Nope. Not at all. Not sure where you got that from. Just because a hall of famer like Warner can come out of nowhere and become one of the best does not mean that there are several baggers working at a grocery mart just waiting for greatness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngosu Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, JustAnotherFan said: Based on the fact that here we are talking about the NFL after nearly 100 years of it's existence. That's how. How do you know that it would? What are you gonna get 2000 players where maybe a 1 out every 500 make a contribution. And they already have somewhere to go to prove their worth. I guarantee it would be way more than 1 out of 500. You are way off on how many players fall through the cracks. It took Sam Mills (who was a damn good LB) getting cut by the Browns, the Toronto Argonauts, and finally getting his shot thanks to the USFL to make it to the NFL simply because he was a 5 foot 9 inch LB. Where can they prove their worth? The way the NFL/CFL agreement works signing with a CFL team makes it very difficult to come back to the NFL. As for why I think it would improve the league. Because its the norm all over the world to have 2nd league to develop players in. And sorry but having players in game shape playing in NFL2 when a team needs to replace an injured player would without question make the NFL game better. I don't know how you can argue it wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngosu Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, JustAnotherFan said: Read the article. They are also counting players that appeared on ACTIVE list for ONE game! Now that article was established in 2014, how many of those guys do you think are still active today? Who cares? Having a larger player pool in game shape playing football would clearly improve the NFL. It floors me that anyone would argue it wouldn't but to each their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngosu Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just to put it in perspective. In 2017 there were 16,175 college players eligible for the NFL draft. To think several guys aren't falling through the cracks is absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, youngosu said: I guarantee it would be way more than 1 out of 500. You are way off on how many players fall through the cracks. It took Sam Mills (who was a damn good LB) getting cut by the Browns, the Toronto Argonauts, and finally getting his shot thanks to the USFL to make it to the NFL simply because he was a 5 foot 9 inch LB. Where can they prove their worth? The way the NFL/CFL agreement works signing with a CFL team makes it very difficult to come back to the NFL. As for why I think it would improve the league. Because its the norm all over the world to have 2nd league to develop players in. And sorry but having players in game shape playing in NFL2 when a team needs to replace an injured player would without question make the NFL game better. I don't know how you can argue it wouldn't. Again, you can't just assume that there are dozens or hundreds of Sam Mills out there. Good for all over the world. In the NFL each team gets ample reserve slots for any player worth holding onto than can be interchangeable at each teams discretion for any player that is worth a damn. They also have the regional combines for any grocery mart bagger that believes in himself. Again, there's no reason to change anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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