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My early mock: Seahawks trade 72, 153 and conditional 23' 3rd that can become a 2nd for Baker Mayfield Trade 72, 246 and 2023 4th for 65 Trade 99 and 202 for 112, 147 and 182 44-Perrion Winfrey-DT Oklahoma 65-John Metchie-WR Alabama 78-Drake Jackson-DE USC 112-Matt Araiza-P SDSU 118-Jelani Woods-TE Virginia 147-Eyioma Uwazurike-DT Iowa State 153-Luke Fortner-C Kentucky 182-Nick Grant-S Virginia 223-Cameron Dicker-K Texas

I hardly think that is the case. I think we shot ourselves in the foot when we were rumored to be asking for a 1st for him initially. Indy getting Ryan for a 3rd and having him under contract for a few more years was a no brainer, especially with the current state of future QB deals. I think there is interest from multiple teams, but as of now I think we are trying to avoid paying any, or at least the majority of the 18 million, and some of the teams probably interested are also wanting to see what the market becomes for the draft prospects, specifically Willis.

I think we are going to get more for him than most do. Wentz has gotten good trade value twice in back to back years. Garapolo went for a 2nd. Matt Schaub went for a 1st round swap and 2 2nd's as a backup with Atl. Darnold fetched a 6th, 4th and 2nd round pick. With Seattle and Indy rumored to be heavily interested, that is going to drive the price up some, and if it ends up being Indy, we should get a little more given that we are trading him inside the conference. I think we get a 2nd and then some, unless we decided to do a player for player trade which IMO isn't likely.

I don't think you could be more wrong. Places like here, this is our safe space. Most of us have random names and if we crossed each others path's walking down the street, we wouldn't even know we have spoken to each other on here. So to see many people on here saying it matters to them, it should say something. Its fine for you to disagree with it, but I'm not sure how you could pretend it isn't real, unless that helps you feel better with your stance of winning is all that matters. In all honesty, that's the bigger issue in the world. Morals matter until a Saudi prince murders an American journalist, but we need access to their OIl and we make billions off of trade deals with them. So we accept the most absurd claim ever as a truth to continue our business with them. Morals matter to LeBron James when it comes to rights, and social injustice, until someone says something about China, and he feels that financial gains could be impacted by it, so he calls out the guy who said something. I'll leave the examples there because I don't want to cross any boundaries with politics and what not. Let me leave you with this. You and I may not agree on this, but I am going to do my part to make sure my replies are professional, and open minded on this issue, or any issue. The reason why we have the issues that you pointed out in the world is because the world struggles with putting people who differ in opinion together in the same room and having them actually talk to each other open minded to where they can find a peace and common ground.

I get that, but wouldn't this be like the state of Ohio pushing a huge human trafficking awareness pledge and using Ariel Castro as their spokesperson? Like I really am struggling to think about what on earth we could do to smooth this over that could actually be genuine and sincere.

dude Rod Tidwell'ed four franchises until one of them showed him the money, only he was Cuba Gooding Jr off the field.

This is a pretty obtuse view of things. No offense to you personally, I guarantee you're not the only one who has those thoughts currently, however, this isn't a "everything the Browns do is ridiculed" situation. Externally, the articles were probably close to being written. They just needed to edit the "insert trading team here" into what was already written, because the narrative was already there. IF Atlanta or New Orleans or Carolina had pulled the trade off, the same articles highlighting the same facts and concerns would be written about. In pure football motives, sure, it was absolutely a great trade to make. The impact felt more for me was seeing how many Browns fans, whether it be people on here, friends I've made on twitter, women that bleed orange and brown, its seeing them hurt, disgusted, disappointed. To add insult to injury, there's been a huge lack of support for those fans, those people. I've seen some that started sharing charity groups in Cleveland to donate to in support of sexual assault victims, and thank god that out of all of this, some people have stepped in to do impactful things like that for the community. Ben Allbright committed to donating 1k to the cause. I saw one guy who is one of the biggest Browns fans I've met donate $2022 dollars, and pledged more after he sells all of his Browns gear. Sure, some of these will eventually return to being fans again, but many won't. What could have been the most exciting move in franchise history, has sadly been the most divisive move. I get why we did it, but I still wish we wouldn't have. Most of you know I am a huge Baker Mayfield fan. I would have gladly given him away for us to not make this deal. I just don't know how we approach our female fan base, or the women who represent the organization, and we look them in the face and say "we hear you, and this is important to us as well, but we just couldn't say no to making this deal." I'd say that I'd pray to have it come to light that he was innocent of the assaults, but that would just lead to those who supported the move to point and laugh at those who weren't, it would lead towards more skepticism towards sexual assault victim's claims overall in a world that already has an awful track record of taking these claims seriously or prosecuting those accused. I also wonder if our media will give him a pass for answering the tough questions. We all can recite the "how have you changed since the suspension" Grossi hot take.

Oh I assume we will be attracting some of those too now. Campbell, Hicks, Linval Joseph I could see being interested in a team friendly deal to sign. Also edge guys like JPP, Hughes, Ingram out there that may want to sign up for a run.

I wouldn't be surprised to see us go after an AJ Green or a Julio Jones if we don't think we can get one of the top tier guys in the draft. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Jarvis return, or for us to double dip with Houston and try to get Cooks from them.

It would definitely be nice to still come away with one of those guys. I'd absolutely love Burks. I was thinking along the lines of a D'Marco Jackson type guy that absolutely performed on the football field for for his college career, but at 23.5 years wouldn't normally be someone we would target.

With the trade going down, does this potentially change Berry's typical draft approach to focus on high caliber players who are a bit younger in age? Jalen Tolbert, for example, would typically not be a highly sought after target because he is 23 years old. Not saying we would have him high regardless, but given the confidence for winning immediately with Watson, does that change how we approach things?

we lost six games last year by one score or less. In two of them, we put up 29, and 42 points. Our horrible kicking game cost us in losses against Green Bay (missed PAT then a terrible coaching decision to go for 2 way too early in the game) LV (missed a FG and lost by 2) and Baltimore (missed FG, Landry fumble when we were driving inside Bal territory). There were so many mistakes made from coaching to kicking to pass catching to turnovers. YES, Baker absolutely didn't play good football, but the outcome of more than a third of our games could have been different if coaches coached better, or other players did their jobs better. This is all being placed on Baker unfairly. If he wasn't injured last year, do we really think he plays as bad as he did? He surely didn't start the season off playing that way.

My response wasn't about you being openly into the Watson thing. It was about how someone inside the organization could make a claim that they were looking for an adult to play QB, and the guy they chased after was arguably the least adult like QB they could have sought out.

it wasn't due to his play...until it was. It wasn't due to his off the field stuff...until it was. Hell, last year when he went on the 14 game run where he played really solid with no #1 WR mind you, the same people who claim he is a bum and has no talent, were the same folks who were on twitter saying he's the franchise, real deal guy. We had so many areas of opportunity last year, QB wasn't close to being the biggest or only issue, however he's become the scapegoat to everything.

The adult comment was uncalled for and the straw. So you want to potentially replace the guy because he isn't an "adult", for a guy who either committed sexual assault against 22 women, or at best case put himself in a position to where he could be accused of committing assault against them. Thats definitely the type of guy I want as the face of my franchise.