DuvalsKing Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 37 minutes ago, pwny said: That's …. odd. Do you have a link to this? I can't find this anywhere on their site, and I even have ESPN+ and tried looking behind the paywall for this. PFF credits him with 8 (link), STATS LLC says 6 (link). I'm particularly confused because ESPN partners with PFF and routinely uses them for their stat collection, so I'm very curious how PFF somehow missed 56% of the sacks he allowed that ESPN found. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/blog/jacksonville-jaguars/post/_/id/29140/jacksonville-jaguars-nfl-draft-picks-2021-analysis-for-every-selection%3fplatform=amp read the portion where it talks about little being drafted Mike DiRocco reiterated today on 1010 that its not an error upon ESPNs research Taylor gave up 18 sacks last season from ESPN research Hicken said it didn’t feel like 18.. DiRocco explained it as he has some decent games where he was solid but he had games that when he was bad he was bad. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, DuvalsKing said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/blog/jacksonville-jaguars/post/_/id/29140/jacksonville-jaguars-nfl-draft-picks-2021-analysis-for-every-selection%3fplatform=amp read the portion where it talks about little being drafted Mike DiRocco reiterated today on 1010 that its not an error upon ESPNs research Taylor gave up 18 sacks last season from ESPN research Hicken said it didn’t feel like 18.. DiRocco explained it as he has some decent games where he was solid but he had games that when he was bad he was bad. 🤷♂️ Thanks. They're crediting Robinson with 9, and Taylor with 18 for a combined 27. There was 44 total allowed by the entire team. Which leaves 17 for the rest of the OL, TEs and unblocked. PFF has: Norwell at 3, Cann at 2, Shatley at 2, Richardson at 2, Linder at 1, Bartch at 0. Assuming that whatever metric ESPN is using also doesn't have inflated numbers for those (which seems improbable), that leaves 7 combined for TEs + RBs, unblocked rushers and sacks that would typically be blamed on the QB. That seems really low, particularly for the unblocked rusher and QB forced sacks. My suspicion is that if their 18 number is what they're actually coming up with and not just a misread of the copy somehow (which seems to be the case because their number on Robinson is higher too), they have to be crediting him with every sack when the QBs tried to run right and ran into a pass rusher and probably when an unblocked rusher came off the side as well. It might be an accurate number of sacks that came from a defender he was closest to, but it's gonna be hard to quantify how bad that is in relation to other players, because we never see anything even close to it in a league-wide metric. For instance, PFF says Andrew Thomas gave up 57 pressures; 14 more than any other player in the league, and the most sacks allowed in the league at just 10. How do we really quantify what that 18 number means? Was he really nearly twice as bad as any other pass blocker in the league and quite possibly the worst pass blocker of the last 20+ years as just seeing this number would lead one to believe, or would using this metric for all players place him somewhere towards the back but more in line with what just hearing the number 8 would make someone think? The 8 allowed he's credited with by PFF is still the third worst in the league, so 18 just seems so absurdly out there. This really seems more like a number you'd pull out specifically when trying to write an article or going on a radio show to puff up how much of an impact a rookie could potentially have over a player who is the current starter. You get the reader/listener thinking "wow, even if he's just really bad but not a disaster, he could probably erase 10 sacks just by himself" and that just seems more like bait for fans than an actual number that provides any context for what Taylor actually did. tl;dr - he was still really bad, but that number seems like bait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuvalsKing Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, pwny said: Thanks. They're crediting Robinson with 9, and Taylor with 18 for a combined 27. There was 44 total allowed by the entire team. Which leaves 17 for the rest of the OL, TEs and unblocked. PFF has: Norwell at 3, Cann at 2, Shatley at 2, Richardson at 2, Linder at 1, Bartch at 0. Assuming that whatever metric ESPN is using also doesn't have inflated numbers for those (which seems improbable), that leaves 7 combined for TEs + RBs, unblocked rushers and sacks that would typically be blamed on the QB. That seems really low, particularly for the unblocked rusher and QB forced sacks. My suspicion is that if their 18 number is what they're actually coming up with and not just a misread of the copy somehow (which seems to be the case because their number on Robinson is higher too), they have to be crediting him with every sack when the QBs tried to run right and ran into a pass rusher and probably when an unblocked rusher came off the side as well. It might be an accurate number of sacks that came from a defender he was closest to, but it's gonna be hard to quantify how bad that is in relation to other players, because we never see anything even close to it in a league-wide metric. For instance, PFF says Andrew Thomas gave up 57 pressures; 14 more than any other player in the league, and the most sacks allowed in the league at just 10. How do we really quantify what that 18 number means? Was he really nearly twice as bad as any other pass blocker in the league and quite possibly the worst pass blocker of the last 20+ years as just seeing this number would lead one to believe, or would using this metric for all players place him somewhere towards the back but more in line with what just hearing the number 8 would make someone think? The 8 allowed he's credited with by PFF is still the third worst in the league, so 18 just seems so absurdly out there. This really seems more like a number you'd pull out specifically when trying to write an article or going on a radio show to puff up how much of an impact a rookie could potentially have over a player who is the current starter. You get the reader/listener thinking "wow, even if he's just really bad but not a disaster, he could probably erase 10 sacks just by himself" and that just seems more like bait for fans than an actual number that provides any context for what Taylor actually did. tl;dr - he was still really bad, but that number seems like bait If you have the 1010xl app the DiRocco interview/analysis is in the onDemand section of the app. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, DuvalsKing said: If you have the 1010xl app the DiRocco interview/analysis is in the onDemand section of the app. I don't think anyones arguing that he said that. However that doesn't make him correct. That's literally over double compared to any other site that tracks it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuvalsKing Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 minute ago, .Buzz said: I don't think anyones arguing that he said that. However that doesn't make him correct. That's literally over double from any other site that tracks it. I’m just adding context because he talked about Taylor individually for about 2-3 mins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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