SemperFeist Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, battle2heaven said: Meh, Trae Waynes wasn't a bust. Yes he was. You don’t draft a player in the 1st round to only get one contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle2heaven Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: Yes he was. You don’t draft a player in the 1st round to only get one contract. of course not, but I think there is a giant gap between Homerun Pick and then >>>>>> Bust. He was in between. He gave you multiple seasons of above average CB play. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle2heaven Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 These are my busts since 2010 Ponder Floyd Patterson Treadwell Hughes Gladney Man RIck, THAT AIN'T GOOD. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted April 11, 2022 Author Share Posted April 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: I would classify any 1st round pick that doesn’t sign a second contract with the team that drafted him as a bust. We’ll see where Bradbury lands on that after this year, but he’s trending in the wrong direction. I'm not necessarily at that level of consideration, as there can be a lot of extenuating circumstances that can lead to a player not being signed to an extension. As b2h indicates, I wouldn't necessarily consider Waynes a bust, because they did get starter level value out of him...and he even got his 5th yr extension picked up, but then he got a huge deal from Cincinnati. If you can't get starter level play out of a 1st round pick at all, then that's a clear bust (i.e. Gladney, Hughes, Treadwell)...anything above that is debatable on a case-by-case basis. Hell, I wouldn't even call Kalil necessarily a bust...although he's about as close to it without calling him one, especially based on where he was selected in the 1st round. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 1 minute ago, battle2heaven said: of course not, but I think there is a giant gap between Homerun Pick and then >>>>>> Bust. He was in between. He gave you multiple seasons of above average CB play. And you can get that much later in the draft. Trae Waynes started 53 games in 5 years and was nothing better than mediocre. Maybe for a player taken in the 2nd round or later that’s not a bust, but for a top 15 pick that’s a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle2heaven Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, swede700 said: Hell, I wouldn't even call Kalil necessarily a bust...although he's about as close to it without calling him one, especially based on where he was selected in the 1st round. He was tough to quantify, but yeah, I wouldn't call him a bust. Got a massive 2nd contract from the Panthers. He had multiple years of above average tackle play and then fell off a cliff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle2heaven Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: And you can get that much later in the draft. Trae Waynes started 53 games in 5 years and was nothing better than mediocre. Maybe for a player taken in the 2nd round or later that’s not a bust, but for a top 15 pick that’s a bust. that doesn't mean he's a bust. Not meeting expectations? Yes. a bust? no. Like I said, you can't really have two extreme buckets like that. Waynes provided more value to the Vikings then a Mike Hughes ever did, they should not be in the same bucket. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 Just now, battle2heaven said: that doesn't mean he's a bust. Not meeting expectations? Yes. a bust? no. Same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle2heaven Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 anyways, I'll stop talking about this. I am talking myself into Drake London. Although I need to see his pro day first. Treadwell also had a fractured ankle in college and he never looked the same with his explosion after his surgery and recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle2heaven Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: Same thing. you know it's not!!! You are one of the poster here I always love to hear opinions from, but don't pick this hill to die on 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle2heaven Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 Jordan Reid just did a 7 round Mock https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33690175/seven-round-nfl-mock-draft-2022-jordan-reid-predictions-262-picks-filling-needs-all-32-teams 12 - Stingley 44 - Pitre 77 - Paschal (sneaky pick, can play up and down the line i think) 5th - Dawson Deaton C 184 - Danny Gray WR (SLEEPER) 191 - Cole Turner TE (like him a bit) 192 - Jack Jones CB (probably steal of day 3 if this were to happen) 7th - James Housin IV LB - dunno him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle2heaven Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, battle2heaven said: Jordan Reid just did a 7 round Mock https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33690175/seven-round-nfl-mock-draft-2022-jordan-reid-predictions-262-picks-filling-needs-all-32-teams 12 - Stingley 44 - Pitre 77 - Paschal (sneaky pick, can play up and down the line i think) 5th - Dawson Deaton C 184 - Danny Gray WR (SLEEPER) 191 - Cole Turner TE (like him a bit) 192 - Jack Jones CB (probably steal of day 3 if this were to happen) 7th - James Housin IV LB - dunno him I don't mind this. He gave the Vikings Pite over Cine, Skyy Moore, Ojabo, Pickens, Logan Hall though. He gave the Vikings Paschal over Alec Pierce, Enagbare, DeAngelo Malone, Bonitto, Sanders though. My shadow draft would probably be 12 - Stingley 44 - Pickens 77 - Bonitto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 1 minute ago, battle2heaven said: you know it's not!!! You are one of the poster here I always love to hear opinions from, but don't pick this hill to die on 😀 You seem to be defining bust based on the player. I define bust based on the investment by the team. The higher the draft pick, the higher the expectations. When expectations aren’t met, it’s a failed draft pick. Or a bust. It doesn’t matter that the player is ok, or gets signed by another team. That does the drafting team no good. Their investment into that draft pick busted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle2heaven Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 Hmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted April 11, 2022 Author Share Posted April 11, 2022 While he's not high on my list of potential picks, he's certainly a fallback option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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