beekay414 Posted December 22, 2023 Author Share Posted December 22, 2023 25 minutes ago, Forge said: The problem is that a guy like Jake Allen isn't a fix. He's an upgrade, but he's not solving the problem or driving the team to the cup finals. Needing a goalie has to be the second most brutal spot to be in all of sports behind needing a QB Martin Brodeur sold his soul 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainmaker90 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 12 hours ago, Forge said: I suspect he won't be here by the end of the year. We have the look of sellers They’re not going to sell. Still in the playoff hunt, core pieces there meaning DPs aren’t as important. I hope they don’t trade for a goalie that compromises the future (Gibson ). I’d take a swing on Allen if it don’t work out it’s not a huge deal. The only major deal I’d explore is the goalie from Nashville. I’d move significant capital for him in the terms of draft picks and or prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainmaker90 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Ahh yes! The Palat-Hischier- LAZAR line we’ve all wanted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Rainmaker90 said: They’re not going to sell. Still in the playoff hunt, core pieces there meaning DPs aren’t as important. I hope they don’t trade for a goalie that compromises the future (Gibson ). I’d take a swing on Allen if it don’t work out it’s not a huge deal. The only major deal I’d explore is the goalie from Nashville. I’d move significant capital for him in the terms of draft picks and or prospects The future is already compromised because they don't have a goalie. I think the swing on Gibson makes way more sense than someone like Jake Allen (depending on cost). Long time between now and the deadline. If they are in this same spot at the deadline, which I believe they will, they should sell. Shouldn't be re-signing toffoli anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainmaker90 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 56 minutes ago, Forge said: The future is already compromised because they don't have a goalie. I think the swing on Gibson makes way more sense than someone like Jake Allen (depending on cost). Long time between now and the deadline. If they are in this same spot at the deadline, which I believe they will, they should sell. Shouldn't be re-signing toffoli anyway The future is not compromised. We have core players who are locked up with reasonable contracts and we have many assets . That allows for a lot of maneuverability . Once that goes away ( like if we swing and miss on a Gibson ) then we will be compromised . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 28 minutes ago, Rainmaker90 said: The future is not compromised. We have core players who are locked up with reasonable contracts and we have many assets . That allows for a lot of maneuverability . Once that goes away ( like if we swing and miss on a Gibson ) then we will be compromised . You have to actually make the move at some point. Having flexibility does nothing if you don't actually use it and top goalies typically don't get moved. At some point, you actually have to have a goalie. Crossing your fingers that one of these guys coming up works is not really a strategy. It's just hoping you get lucky Gibson has a very easy buy out if it swings and misses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainmaker90 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, Forge said: You have to actually make the move at some point. Having flexibility does nothing if you don't actually use it and top goalies typically don't get moved. At some point, you actually have to have a goalie. Crossing your fingers that one of these guys coming up works is not really a strategy. It's just hoping you get lucky Gibson has a very easy buy out if it swings and misses Absolutely. I wouldn’t make a high risk investment just thinking about this year. If Gibson has a buyout, sure. If they think he can make a significant difference, go for it. The standard shouldn’t just be if he’s better than Vitek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Rainmaker90 said: The standard shouldn’t just be if he’s better than Vitek This is legit what we are talking about going after Jake Allen. If the thought is really bringing in Jake Allen, just finish out the season as is. Do I think Gibson solves anything? Probably not. Dude is five years from being an elite goalie...but at least he has that history. He was a true #1. He could be a game changer. So I get it. I didn't want to make that move for a long time, but I'm not sure what people are seeing as a long term fix here besides just getting fortunate. Maybe that happens, but I feel like maybe that's not the greatest battleplan either. Gibson definitely comes with risk, though not nearly as much as people like to say. I mean, you give him this year and next and if he's cooked, so be it. You weren't doing anything better anyway and more importantly, I don't know what superior option you are missing out on the next two years if you bring him in. Sauros doesn't seem to be moving and I'm not sure that you can sit on your hands and bide your time hoping that next year he is made available. You buy Gibson out and its 2 million a year for 4 years. It's basically the cory schneider buy out that we are going through right now but the cap will be higher. But Gibson is only 30, the contract only runs through his age 33. And yeah, though I don't fully buy the "look how bad the team is" narrative, I will admit that they have been historically bad in front of him. Like, that's not really debatable. I just don't know if that is the reason that Gibson has been meh. Jake Allen is 33, under contract next year and is a platoon goalie. And that's fine...but not what this team needs. This team needs something legit. Trading for Allen is trading for Vitek all over again, tbh. He had a couple of really nice years a few years ago, then fell apart, got pulled for Binnington in the playoffs and then settled in as a platoon goalie for Montreal. In truth, the first action that should be taken is canning Ruff and seeing what they can do schematically on defense. I don't advocate for the awfulness that is Travis Greene taking over, but you've got what you have got. Maybe these guys can turn it around in a different scheme, but Vitek looks cooked. I mean, multiple times last night he was backward in net lol. multiple times! LOL. Like, I don't even know how you do that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainmaker90 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 34 minutes ago, Forge said: This is legit what we are talking about going after Jake Allen. If the thought is really bringing in Jake Allen, just finish out the season as is. Do I think Gibson solves anything? Probably not. Dude is five years from being an elite goalie...but at least he has that history. He was a true #1. He could be a game changer. So I get it. I didn't want to make that move for a long time, but I'm not sure what people are seeing as a long term fix here besides just getting fortunate. Maybe that happens, but I feel like maybe that's not the greatest battleplan either. Gibson definitely comes with risk, though not nearly as much as people like to say. I mean, you give him this year and next and if he's cooked, so be it. You weren't doing anything better anyway and more importantly, I don't know what superior option you are missing out on the next two years if you bring him in. Sauros doesn't seem to be moving and I'm not sure that you can sit on your hands and bide your time hoping that next year he is made available. You buy Gibson out and its 2 million a year for 4 years. It's basically the cory schneider buy out that we are going through right now but the cap will be higher. But Gibson is only 30, the contract only runs through his age 33. And yeah, though I don't fully buy the "look how bad the team is" narrative, I will admit that they have been historically bad in front of him. Like, that's not really debatable. I just don't know if that is the reason that Gibson has been meh. Jake Allen is 33, under contract next year and is a platoon goalie. And that's fine...but not what this team needs. This team needs something legit. Trading for Allen is trading for Vitek all over again, tbh. He had a couple of really nice years a few years ago, then fell apart, got pulled for Binnington in the playoffs and then settled in as a platoon goalie for Montreal. In truth, the first action that should be taken is canning Ruff and seeing what they can do schematically on defense. I don't advocate for the awfulness that is Travis Greene taking over, but you've got what you have got. Maybe these guys can turn it around in a different scheme, but Vitek looks cooked. I mean, multiple times last night he was backward in net lol. multiple times! LOL. Like, I don't even know how you do that. I agree. I’m more or less saying I don’t want to be tied to said goalie going into next year if they don’t workout. I don’t want to make a decision out of desperation that compromises our maneuverability and probably isn’t going to be the difference maker we need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainmaker90 Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Vitek low danger .970 medium .845 high .603 Total: .883 Schmid low .972 medium .849 high .667 Total: .893 Gibson Low .971 medium .871 High .762 total : .906 Allen Low .971 medium .880 High .816 total: .904 My interpretation is that Gibson and especially Allen are facing much more medium/high danger chances. Their medium/high dangerous save % is much higher than our goalies, and their low % is roughly the same and yet the total save % is closer than you’d expect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainmaker90 Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 He wasn’t even the only open guy in front of the net 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainmaker90 Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 Smith with a easy intercepted pass, leads to high danger chance and then a penalty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted December 24, 2023 Author Share Posted December 24, 2023 Lol Smith leading in ice time. Fire this clown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 Bad defense. Bad goal by vitek. Jack quit two weeks ago based on his play the last couple of weeks. Ruff will need to go sooner or later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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