Grade Our Draft

[Hunter2_1]

First round, 17th overall: CB Christian Gonzalez, Oregon

A+  I still can't believe we got him at 17. To trade back, block the Jets from a tackle, and get the best CB on the board and a top 5 overall prospect by all accounts? One of the best ever experiences in the draft as a Patriots fan

Second round, 46th overall: DE Keion White, Georgia Tech

A.  I'm really high on White, I listed him as a first rounder, I thought he was the best edge rusher beyond the top guys in this draft. I didn't like his face at the draft, but maybe he also felt he should have been a first rounder

Third round, 76th overall: LB/S Marte Mapu, Sacramento State

D. Hate the pick, I don't know why we need another LB/S hybrid. He's either going to get blown out by Guards, or not be able to cover the faster receivers in our div. I wouldn't mind in the 5th or beyomd

Fourth round, 107th overall: OL Jake Andrews, Troy

B- slightly over-drafted, but I trust this team drafting IOL. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up as good as David one day

Fourth round, 112th overall: K Chad Ryland, Maryland

D. Might have needed a kicker, but so many OTs and LBs and CBs still on the board here. Drafting kickers doesn't seem productive, to me. Can get good ones in UDFA.

Fourth round, 117th overall: OL Sidy Sow, Eastern Michigan

B. So this guy is really really strong, can play across the line. He'd be a small tackle, but he's done it. Great depth to add

Fifth round, 144th overall: OL Atonio Mafi, UCLA

C+ Still learning football, very raw, but he's hella strong. Tongan, his dad played for Tonga rugby, so you know he's got insane strength. Short, sometimes immovable.

Sixth round, 187th overall: WR Kayshon Boutte, LSU

C+ I don't think he'll be any good in the NFL, I believe he won't get separation, and his route running is lazy. Also off-the-field questions. However, the value here is good. Considering what he used to be.

Sixth round, 192nd overall: P Bryce Baringer, Michigan State

C. I don't mind a K/P in the 6th, it's more palatable. 

Sixth round, 210th overall: WR Demario Douglas, Liberty

Don't know

Sixth round, 214th overall: CB Ameer Speed, Michigan State

C. I don't think he'll be in the league long, it's an athletic flier pick. But in this round, why not

Seventh round, 245th overall: CB Isaiah Bolden, Jackson State

Don't know

 

Overall B-

Loved the first two picks, especially Gonzalez. I'm still smiling about that. It gets a bit weirder as you go down, a bit more like we're accustomed to. We didn't make any moves up the board on Day 2 for the first time in six years despite owning a ton of fourth- and sixth-round selections to use in potential deals. 12 picks, which is a lot, but no tackles or tight ends. WR came too late, for me.

 

 

disclaimer: None of us actually know. Just opinion.

[m haynes]

First round, 17th overall: CB Christian Gonzalez, Oregon

A

Second round, 46th overall: DE Keion White, Georgia Tech

A.

Third round, 76th overall: LB/S Marte Mapu, Sacramento State

This pick drove me crazy. Small school, shrine bowl hero. He looks like he moves in slow motion. LOOK AT WHO BB PAST ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF   --------------------   I would of traded the pick or taken  several  players over him.  Starting with Wanya Morris OT, Clark Phillips III  or Riley Moss . There's your Myles Bryant replacement.

Fourth round, 107th overall: OL Jake Andrews, Troy

C    I would of drafted  any thing but a center.

Fourth round, 112th overall: K Chad Ryland, Maryland

A I believe in drafting kickers and I don't care what RD. Watch to many team and game where they are the difference. You get one you have him for 15 years !!!!! Last kicker I wanted was Tylar Bass. He's worth any choice.

Fourth round, 117th overall: OL Sidy Sow, Eastern Michigan

C

Fifth round, 144th overall: OL Atonio Mafi, UCLA

C

Sixth round, 187th overall: WR Kayshon Boutte, LSU

A   

Sixth round, 192nd overall: P Bryce Baringer, Michigan State

A Same as kicker.

Sixth round, 210th overall: WR Demario Douglas, Liberty

B

Sixth round, 214th overall: CB Ameer Speed, Michigan State

F      going on @DaPatsKid98 information.

Seventh round, 245th overall: CB Isaiah Bolden, Jackson State

A       ST numbers crazy, 4.3 speed. Hungry. Dion was his coach learned CB the right.

 

[Nex_Gen]

5 hours ago, Hunter2_1 said:

First round, 17th overall: CB Christian Gonzalez, Oregon

A - The physical traits, technical polish and tools are all there to complete the CB room. I really like the prospects of Marcus, Christian and Jack going into the future (although I have a feeling Jack isn't here too long).

Second round, 46th overall: DE Keion White, Georgia Tech

A - As I mentioned, I saw White as a very 'Patriots' pick at 14, and I'm sure he was within the group of similarly graded players there that gave them the inclination to trade down at that time. His power at the POA and relentless motor pops to me, which will give him flexibility to line up at 5T, 3T or even stand up in any given situation. The draft video is so BLOWN out of proportion. That's the face you make when you're trying not to cry and get emotional. 

Third round, 76th overall: LB/S Marte Mapu, Sacramento State

C- - Yeah, this one still baffles me. The positives I keep reading is the explosive movement and lateral agility at the position, yet I just see someone with really slow COD and choppy feet, even given the smaller size.. The downhill trigger once he diagnoses and trusts what sees, is a real trait that does show on tape however. Given the amount of LB/S hybrids already on this roster, this certainly has to indicate Bill plans to truly line him up at LB for the most part, which hopefully spells a must needed change in trend from the typical old school thumper type. 

Fourth round, 107th overall: OL Jake Andrews, Troy

C+ - Classic IOL prospect that doesn't particularly stand out individually, but is a really good "sum of all parts" player depending on the rest of his offensive line cast. This is the concept for how the Patriots want to build their offensive line anyways, and I do definitely think he'll be molded into a fine player within their system. With that said, he anchors very well and you won't get through him if he's able to square you up and keep you in front of him. Tends to get lost when needing to re-assign and lacks spacial awareness, which I think the Patriots will do a good job of mitigating. 

Fourth round, 112th overall: K Chad Ryland, Maryland

C - I expected, and wanted them to draft a K. The leg power is there to work with in both the long distance and kickoff game. But he seemed pretty damn inconsistent in his career to justify a 4th round selection. Still, was there any better prospect after Moody was taken in the 3RD?

Fourth round, 117th overall: OL Sidy Sow, Eastern Michigan

B - I suppose this one has the athletic traits and size to try at Tackle given the consensus media narrative steering towards that position as the one in need.

Fifth round, 144th overall: OL Atonio Mafi, UCLA

C - Another thick power guard that moves the running game. Wash, rinse, repeat. At what point is it too much? If we're just looking at the player itself, I'd give a B-, but given the other two picks in the same round, this needs to get knocked down. This entire mid-draft influx doesn't indicate much confidence in the Hines, Steuber, Russey group from last year. 

Sixth round, 187th overall: WR Kayshon Boutte, LSU

A - Probably my 3rd favorite pick of the draft. I'm aware Kayshon is a major wildcard, but the best parts from his tape shows a natural playmaker and football player with pure raw talent at a position that is most advantageous to that type; even if he's not the most technically refined and needs major nuances looked into. Sometimes, players just know how to play football even if they don't back it up with the testing and attitude. Kayshon looks like one of those to me. See Deebo Samuel..

Sixth round, 192nd overall: P Bryce Baringer, Michigan State

B - I expected, and wanted them to draft a P. The biggest issue last season was flipping the field. He will FLIP the field for you. They'll worry about teaching him the finesse part of the game later.

Sixth round, 210th overall: WR Demario Douglas, Liberty

A- - He's right up there with the Boutte pick for me. Not that they're the same kind of player. But they're throwing a dart at the type that has at least proven to succeed in this 20 year old regime. I'll take that EVERY YEAR. And they haven't even been doing it enough. 

Sixth round, 214th overall: CB Ameer Speed, Michigan State

D - The Patriots one-minute website highlights montage showed him up giving up first downs in coverage and tackling ball carriers by the shoe string 10 yards down the field. If he doesn't show to be a ST ace, he doesn't belong anywhere near a football field. Bill's infatuation with trying to find ST aces is beyond toxic.

Seventh round, 245th overall: CB Isaiah Bolden, Jackson State

Don't know

 

Overall - B

I echo @Hunter2_1 a lot here. The first two picks were out of the park in terms of value and prospects chosen. It turned very Patriots-like in the mid rounds, but I really liked the dart throws later on. I'm fine with the two K/P taken given the pure leg potential. The last two picks were basically UDFA signings so whatever. 12 picks certainly is crazy volume you won't see too many times in a draft and you didn't expect them to use all the picks, but aren't surprised either given this was a class with much depth, which entitles the way this team is built. There's enough individual players within the class to be excited about, and the sheer volume certainly helped that case.

Let's not forget how badly perceived last year's class was; only for it to turn into the biggest contributing rookie class of all teams last season in terms of playing time and impact on the field (I don't know this to actually be true, but I'm pretty damn confident it was).

 

 

 

 

[Hunter2_1]

6 hours ago, Nex_Gen said:

 

Great stuff 

[Hunter2_1]

The final two picks, actually, are probably only ST players. They're kick chasers/gunners or whatever. We are now in the era of the NFL actively trying to kill the returns - and we draft two specialists for it. 

Two howlers. Why do we do this every year

[m haynes]

13 hours ago, Nex_Gen said:

Given the amount of LB/S hybrids already on this roster, this certainly has to indicate Bill plans to truly line him up at LB for the most part, which hopefully spells a must needed change in trend from the typical old school thumper type. 

Great point hopefully your correct.

13 hours ago, Nex_Gen said:

Fourth round, 117th overall: OL Sidy Sow, Eastern Michigan

B - I suppose this one has the athletic traits and size to try at Tackle given the consensus media narrative steering towards that position as the one in need.

 

13 hours ago, Nex_Gen said:

Fifth round, 144th overall: OL Atonio Mafi, UCLA

C - Another thick power guard that moves the running game. Wash, rinse, repeat. At what point is it too much? If we're just looking at the player itself, I'd give a B-, but given the other two picks in the same round, this needs to get knocked down. This entire mid-draft influx doesn't indicate much confidence in the Hines, Steuber, Russey group from last year. 

I hope your right with the OT comment.  My thoughts after the draft ( Wash, rinse, repeat.) was, what are we doing, where do all these (OG) players fit, based on our current roster. They will be on the bench, maybe for years, if they sign Onwenu.

Maybe they trade Onwenu or just let him walk for a comp pick. I just don't know?  My problem with this is, you have to commit or you just, doing a rewash trying to get the stains out!!!! 😁  Nice play on your wash comment, right !!!! 🤣

Also great breakdown.

 

[Hunter2_1]

Sow does have the size and length for T, tbf. Not too percentile or anything, but still 6’5 and nearly 34 arms.

If we plan on “trying him at Tackle”, then WHY NOT JUST DRAFT A TACKLE!

Maybe Bill and co. Consider Tackle nowdays like a RB or off ball LB. You can get around the need to pay big/pick early at that position by using other tools available. He’s alright putting Wynn there for example, who would only play G on other teams 

[m haynes]

3 hours ago, Hunter2_1 said:

Sow does have the size and length for T, tbf. Not too percentile or anything, but still 6’5 and nearly 34 arms.

If we plan on “trying him at Tackle”, then WHY NOT JUST DRAFT A TACKLE!

Maybe Bill and co. Consider Tackle nowdays like a RB or off ball LB. You can get around the need to pay big/pick early at that position by using other tools available. He’s alright putting Wynn there for example, who would only play G on other teams 

Just one question. How has that worked out post TB?

[Hunter2_1]

3 hours ago, m haynes said:

Just one question. How has that worked out post TB?

I don't think it has. I'm trying to get inside of Bill's mind.....

[m haynes]

19 minutes ago, Hunter2_1 said:

I don't think it has. I'm trying to get inside of Bill's mind.....

👁️‍🗨️🤢🤣

[DoleINGout]

First round, 17th overall: CB Christian Gonzalez, Oregon A-

Second round, 46th overall: DE Keion White, Georgia Tech B

Third round, 76th overall: LB/S Marte Mapu, Sacramento State B-

Fourth round, 107th overall: OL Jake Andrews, Troy B-

Fourth round, 112th overall: K Chad Ryland, Maryland B+

Fourth round, 117th overall: OL Sidy Sow, Eastern Michigan A

Fifth round, 144th overall: OL Atonio Mafi, UCLA B-

Sixth round, 187th overall: WR Kayshon Boutte, LSU B+

Sixth round, 192nd overall: P Bryce Baringer, Michigan State B+

Sixth round, 210th overall: WR Demario Douglas, Liberty B+

Sixth round, 214th overall: CB Ameer Speed, Michigan State F

Seventh round, 245th overall: CB Isaiah Bolden, Jackson State C

overall: B+

Edited May 5, 2023 by DoleINGout