Soko Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 11 hours ago, ET80 said: Pittsburgh. Chicago is 2nd, but the Steelers get this. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Malik said: Steelers and Bears have similarly all-time great players, but the Steelers just have so much more beyond their best of the best that they are easily #1 and the Bears #2. Dolphins are 3 and Ravens are 4. I don't understand how the Patriots are on the list with 2 seasons worth of All-Pro play on there. The Cowboys would have been a better option with DeMarcus Ware, DD Lewis, Lee Roy Jordan, and Chuck Howley. And they have championships too since you want to play that card. The list wasn't exhaustive. You're not voting for the ones I put. The idea was for everyone to contribute as well, so calm down. Thank you for mentioning Dallas. Another great option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tetsujin Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 The OP should do this for more position groups. I don't know if you want to do one for a whole secondary, or break it into CB and S. DL or DT and DE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobikus Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Pittsburgh then Chicago. Both are probably fairly equal near the top, but Pittsburgh has a deeper list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLExpert49 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 7 hours ago, Hunter2_1 said: The holder of the post-season sack record and captain of superbowl winning defenses isn't special? OK then, NFL expert. No, a guy who only had 1 double digit sack season in a 15 year career as a 3-4 pass rushing specialist OLB is not special. Your homerism is ridiculous. It's also hilarious how you left off Andre Tippett and Ted Johnson, both of whom were way better players than anybody from the Patriots you listed. It's funny how Patriots fans are blind to how little talent their team has had during Belichick's tenure there. Newsflash: Belichick is a "system players" guy. Every once in a blue moon, he'll add a legitimate talent like a Randy Moss or a Darrelle Revis to try to put them over the top, but he stocks his teams with marginal/journeyman-caliber players and schemes them to success. The Patriots have been a revolving door of players who were backups on other teams for almost 20 years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLExpert49 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 And while we're at it, San Francisco's trounce the Patriots: Dave Wilcox, Jack Reynolds, Charles Haley, Keena Turner, Ken Norton, Gary Plummer, Patrick Willis, Navorro Bowman, Reuben Foster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobikus Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Malik said: Steelers and Bears have similarly all-time great players, but the Steelers just have so much more beyond their best of the best that they are easily #1 and the Bears #2. Dolphins are 3 and Ravens are 4. I don't understand how the Patriots are on the list with 2 seasons worth of All-Pro play on there. The Cowboys would have been a better option with DeMarcus Ware, DD Lewis, Lee Roy Jordan, and Chuck Howley. And they have championships too since you want to play that card. Howley not being in the hall is a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 45 minutes ago, Bobikus said: Howley not being in the hall is a crime. I have no idea how he isn't. Super Bowl Champion/MVP, that was one of or the best player at his position for several seasons, had longevity, and was on a big market team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobikus Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Malik said: I have no idea how he isn't. Super Bowl Champion/MVP, that was one of or the best player at his position for several seasons, had longevity, and was on a big market team. Seriously, 6 pro bowls, 5 first team all-pro selections, a ring, and SB MVP award. Probably the biggest HoF snub there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 2 hours ago, freak_of_nature said: The OP should do this for more position groups. I don't know if you want to do one for a whole secondary, or break it into CB and S. DL or DT and DE? Maybe NFL Expert can do it, freak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 hour ago, NFLExpert49 said: No, a guy who only had 1 double digit sack season in a 15 year career as a 3-4 pass rushing specialist OLB is not special. Your homerism is ridiculous. It's also hilarious how you left off Andre Tippett and Ted Johnson, both of whom were way better players than anybody from the Patriots you listed. It's funny how Patriots fans are blind to how little talent their team has had during Belichick's tenure there. Newsflash: Belichick is a "system players" guy. Every once in a blue moon, he'll add a legitimate talent like a Randy Moss or a Darrelle Revis to try to put them over the top, but he stocks his teams with marginal/journeyman-caliber players and schemes them to success. The Patriots have been a revolving door of players who were backups on other teams for almost 20 years now. Ah, the old "system". Trusty argument. Newsflash: everyone is a system player - there are systems that suit every player more than others. If you were to read my posts on this forum, you'd find a fan who is about as far from homer as it gets. You're also falling over yourself here, that list, as I've already said, is not exhaustive - you are not voting on them options, I was merely listing ones I could think of. Never said the Pat one is better than any of them, it's what I know. You're welcome to add your own, which is the point of this thread and forum, is it not? And look...you have done! The SF one. Good shout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLExpert49 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Hunter2_1 said: Ah, the old "system". Trusty argument. Newsflash: everyone is a system player - there are systems that suit every player more than others. If you were to read my posts on this forum, you'd find a fan who is about as far from homer as it gets. You're also falling over yourself here, that list, as I've already said, is not exhaustive - you are not voting on them options, I was merely listing ones I could think of. Never said the Pat one is better than any of them, it's what I know. You're welcome to add your own, which is the point of this thread and forum, is it not? And look...you have done! The SF one. Good shout. ~sigh~ Here we go again. That's not what "system player" means. When somebody is described as a "system player," it means he's a limited talent who would fail without being in a system that inflates his success the same way it does everybody else's. That is not true for legitimate talents. There is no system that could stop a legitimate talent from being a good player. If a player "doesn't fit the system," it simply means he's not a very good player. Kliff Kingsbury was a product of Texas Tech's system, for example. The easy, wide open passing scheme was why he put up big numbers in college, and it's why he wasn't considered a real NFL prospect. Bill Belichick is a man who dicked around with both Troy Brown and Julian Edelman at corner as he was shutting teams down. He's a man who traded both Chandler Jones and Jamie Collins simply because they were too talented for his taste. And then they gave up the fewest points in the league after they did that. To Belichick, it's no fun winning with too much actual talent. He enjoys the challenge of doing it with journeymen (and of course, it also feeds his ego). Guys like Mike Vrabel would never have been starters in the NFL without Belichick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 32 minutes ago, NFLExpert49 said: ~sigh~ Here we go again. That's not what "system player" means. When somebody is described as a "system player," it means he's a limited talent who would fail without being in a system that inflates his success the same way it does everybody else's. That is not true for legitimate talents. There is no system that could stop a legitimate talent from being a good player. If a player "doesn't fit the system," it simply means he's not a very good player. Kliff Kingsbury was a product of Texas Tech's system, for example. The easy, wide open passing scheme was why he put up big numbers in college, and it's why he wasn't considered a real NFL prospect. Bill Belichick is a man who dicked around with both Troy Brown and Julian Edelman at corner as he was shutting teams down. He's a man who traded both Chandler Jones and Jamie Collins simply because they were too talented for his taste. And then they gave up the fewest points in the league after they did that. To Belichick, it's no fun winning with too much actual talent. He enjoys the challenge of doing it with journeymen (and of course, it also feeds his ego). Guys like Mike Vrabel would never have been starters in the NFL without Belichick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Broncos have had some good ones. Von Miller, Karl Mecklenburg, Randy Gradishar, Al Wilson, Tom Jackson, and Simon Fletcher. Maybe throw in Bill Romanowski, Bob Sewen, or DJ Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttitansfan4life Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 I’ll just go ahead and add a college program for the hell of it.... LBU Ray Lewis, Ted Hendricks, Dan Morgan, Jessie Armstead, D.J. Williams, Jon Vilma, Jon Beason, Michael Barrow, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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