dtait93 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 17 minutes ago, TitanRedd said: Add the fact they play in a far more complex offense than ours, people think running a offense full of option routes is so simple, 😩🗣 ask chad johnson how that worked for him. Our offense is high school compared to NE. WR’s literally have to be on the same page as the QB & adjust their route according to coverage. Randy Moss once said we would run a play & might have 3 different routes to run according to coverage. NE had no OL no Run game mediocre WR play & Brady was still better than any Tannehill years with the dolphins 🤷🏽♂️ Brady 2013: 60.5%, 4343 yards, 25 TDs, 11 INTs, 6.9 Y/A, 87.3 passer rating -Weapons: Edelman, Amendola, Dobson, Thompson, Gronkowski, Vereen -Rushing Attack: 4.39 YPC Brady 2019: 60.8%, 4057 yards, 24 TDs, 8 INTs, 6.6 Y/A, 88.0 passer rating -Weapons: Edelman, Sanu, Dorsett, Harry, Watson, White -Rushing Attack: 3.81 YPC So basically at age 42 he put up identical numbers to what he did at age 36 with a much worse rushing attack and crappier weapons. Funny how I didn't hear this whole washed up crap 6 years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans0021 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 11 hours ago, dtait93 said: A mediocre year was literally miraculous with those receivers and tight ends lol If you say so. Talking about a guy that completed 57% of his passes while averaging under six yards per attempt in the second half of the season with a supposedly great offensive coordinator and the greatest coach in the history of football. Which feels like a bad omen when you can actually watch his arm strength fall off a cliff as the year progressed as a 64-year old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans0021 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 5 hours ago, dtait93 said: Brady 2013: 60.5%, 4343 yards, 25 TDs, 11 INTs, 6.9 Y/A, 87.3 passer rating -Weapons: Edelman, Amendola, Dobson, Thompson, Gronkowski, Vereen -Rushing Attack: 4.39 YPC Brady 2019: 60.8%, 4057 yards, 24 TDs, 8 INTs, 6.6 Y/A, 88.0 passer rating -Weapons: Edelman, Sanu, Dorsett, Harry, Watson, White -Rushing Attack: 3.81 YPC So basically at age 42 he put up identical numbers to what he did at age 36 with a much worse rushing attack and crappier weapons. Funny how I didn't hear this whole washed up crap 6 years ago. Obvious difference being that he didn’t look actively washed in the second half of 2013 (was significantly better as the season went on) whereas he pumped up his bulk stats with a good start in 2019 and then his stats and his performance fell off a cliff (which is the classic sign of an aging player who is losing physical ability as a long season drags on). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, titans0021 said: If you say so. Talking about a guy that completed 57% of his passes while averaging under six yards per attempt in the second half of the season with a supposedly great offensive coordinator and the greatest coach in the history of football. Which feels like a bad omen when you can actually watch his arm strength fall off a cliff as the year progressed as a 64-year old. The coaches don't create separation. If you actually watched the games you would have noticed teams started playing man after Baltimore exposed them in week 9 which caused more throw aways and check downs. Also his arm strength wasn't even close to falling off a cliff. He threw a multitude of strikes traveling 15-20+ yards in every single game to close the season. His balls weren't fluttering or lacking zip so I literally don't know what you were watching at all. Tbh, I don't even think you watched. You just hate him for whatever reason which is evident by calling him a 64 year old. 14 minutes ago, titans0021 said: Obvious difference being that he didn’t look actively washed in the second half of 2013 (was significantly better as the season went on) whereas he pumped up his bulk stats with a good start in 2019 and then his stats and his performance fell off a cliff (which is the classic sign of an aging player who is losing physical ability as a long season drags on). Or defenses learned just to man up while Brady's supporting cast got weaker as the season wore on in 2019 causing his box score to look worse. While in 2013 defenses didn't have the luxury of simply playing man while his supporting cast got stronger when he got Gronk back in the back half of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans0021 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Man, after years of being told that receivers are unimportant, now apparently Tom Brady is completely reliant on them. Nevermind that we’re talking about a group of weapons that includes a first-round pick, a player that they traded a second for, one of the greatest slots of all time, and an elite receiving back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans0021 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 But really, if you’re telling me that you watched the Patriots last year and came away thinking that Brady is still close to the Tom Brady, we’re just so far apart that any statistical discussion is just a waste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 minute ago, titans0021 said: Man, after years of being told that receivers are unimportant, now apparently Tom Brady is completely reliant on them. Nevermind that we’re talking about a group of weapons that includes a first-round pick, a player that they traded a second for, one of the greatest slots of all time, and an elite receiving back. A first round pick that couldn't separate, grasp the offense, read a defense, or beat press coverage. A player they traded a 2nd for who had the drops and couldn't separate either anymore. A group of receiving threats that was amongst the league leaders in drops. Literally how many times a game would Brady be shifting around in the pocket for 4+ seconds waiting for someone to come open? It happened a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, titans0021 said: But really, if you’re telling me that you watched the Patriots last year and came away thinking that Brady is still close to the Tom Brady, we’re just so far apart that any statistical discussion is just a waste. Brady wasn't the problem with the offense last year and is still very good. His supporting cast sucked, not really much else to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanRedd Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, dtait93 said: Brady wasn't the problem with the offense last year and is still very good. His supporting cast sucked, not really much else to it. & at 43 he still better than RT. Why because RT can’t carry a offense. We keep constantly saying no he’s not Tom Brady of Old were he can work with less & carry a team of intelligence & arm talent. At this stage he’ needs a supporting cast just like Tannehill needs a supporting cast. He’s good but he’s a game manager. Brady worked with less & still made some work with nothing, with the offense starting with him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, TitanRedd said: & at 43 he still better than RT. Why because RT can’t carry a offense. We keep constantly saying no he’s not Tom Brady of Old were he can work with less & carry a team of intelligence & arm talent. At this stage he’ needs a supporting cast just like Tannehill needs a supporting cast. He’s good but he’s a game manager. Brady worked with less & still made some work with nothing, with the offense starting with him. Agreed. As for arm strength, even if you didn't watch the games you can literally just pull up the 10+ min highlight videos and watch him throw multiple strikes traveling 15-20+ yards in the final games of the season. His arm wasn't diminished at all unless your confusing touch for a lack of arm strength lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanRedd Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, dtait93 said: Agreed. As for arm strength, even if you didn't watch the games you can literally just pull up the 10+ min highlight videos and watch him throw multiple strikes traveling 15-20+ yards in the final games of the season. His arm wasn't diminished at all unless your confusing touch for a lack of arm strength lol. He missed passes he normally connects on because him & his WR’s were never in sync or on the same page & again what people don’t understand is, NE offense is about precise route running & timing. Brady gets rid of the ball quickly & expects you to be at your spot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, TitanRedd said: He missed passes he normally connects on because him & his WR’s were never in sync or on the same page & again what people don’t understand is, NE offense is about precise route running & timing. Brady gets rid of the ball quickly & expects you to be at your spot. Hard to get in rhythm with your QB when you don't get to spend OTA's, training camp, preseason, and the first half of the regular season with him (Sanu), or when you can't read a defense, understand the offense, create separation or beat press coverage (Harry). It's why Edelman was still able to put together maybe his best season of his career even when he was the only receiving threat to the defense - he understands the offense, can read a defense, is on the same page as Brady, and can separate. This isn't rocket science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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