NYRaider Posted July 9, 2022 Author Share Posted July 9, 2022 4 hours ago, sdrawkcab321 said: Deal. NY wouldn’t do anything with those picks anyway. If we trade Donovan I want RJ Barrett, Obi Toppin, 3 1sts, and 2 swaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 12 hours ago, NYRaider said: A first round pick in the 20-30 range makes the same amount as a veteran minimum. And the contract is only guaranteed for 2 years, there’s a team option starting in year 3. When have we seen any team in the NBA prioritizing second round picks for players? Typically only when they’re looking to dump bad salary and the other team has to send something back. The 30th pick in this year's draft will receive a Y1 salary of just under $2.2M. Any veteran signing for the minimum that has less than 8 years in the NBA will make less money than that draft pick. And those veteran minimum are largely unguaranteed contracts. You're guaranteed to spend at least $4.5M over 2 years, or you can sign a SRP to a 2 year, $2.5M deal. If you're a team like the Warriors, which would you prefer to have? And part of the issue is timing. You have to decide on that PO for Y3 before Y2. How many players are so awful that you're immediately cutting bait after Y1? Not very many. Most teams will pick up the option for Y3, but after watching them in Y2 they cut them loose. 12 hours ago, NYRaider said: Selecting someone in the 1st means you can move on in 2 years if you want. Or you can potentially have that player under team control for a minimum of 5 years if they just sign the OQ, which players never do. And in most situations for between 7-9 seasons because of RFA. It's more like 3 than 2, but sure. 12 hours ago, NYRaider said: Even if you don’t use the pick first round picks can and always are viewed as valuable assets in trades. If they weren’t why wouldn’t the Nets be okay with taking 2nd round picks for durant? Not sure if you're being purposely obtuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 12 hours ago, NYRaider said: Question @CWood21 since late firsts are less valuable then early seconds and typically don’t add value. Why are the Lakers hesitant to trade away 2 of them for one of the best players in the NBA that also puts them into title contention immediately? I refuse to believe that you're this naive that you're not following the rumors. Let's recap them, shall we? FACTS 1.) Lakers want Kyrie Irving. 2.) Nets need to add salary in order to take on Westbrook. REPORTED 1.) Lakers do NOT have interest in adding Joe Harris, and prefer Seth Curry as the salary ballast as part of the trade. 2.) Nets have ZERO interest in taking on Russell Westbrook and his salary. There's absolutely NOTHING to suggest that the Lakers aren't willing to include picks in a Westbrook/Irving. I think the number of picks involved and the protections involved in those picks are probably the bigger hurdle to clear. The Lakers just handed over the #8 pick in the '22 draft to the Pelicans. If the Lakers didn't win a championship in 2020, that'd probably be a bigger black eye than they'd care to admit. The Lakers' cap after this season is remarkably clear. They've got Anthony Davis and potentially THT and Damion Jones under contract. That's max FA contract cap space. But that's also without LeBron James. They're keeping cap flexibility right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 9, 2022 Author Share Posted July 9, 2022 29 minutes ago, CWood21 said: The 30th pick in this year's draft will receive a Y1 salary of just under $2.2M. Any veteran signing for the minimum that has less than 8 years in the NBA will make less money than that draft pick. And those veteran minimum are largely unguaranteed contracts. You're guaranteed to spend at least $4.5M over 2 years, or you can sign a SRP to a 2 year, $2.5M deal. If you're a team like the Warriors, which would you prefer to have? And part of the issue is timing. You have to decide on that PO for Y3 before Y2. How many players are so awful that you're immediately cutting bait after Y1? Not very many. Most teams will pick up the option for Y3, but after watching them in Y2 they cut them loose. It's more like 3 than 2, but sure. Not sure if you're being purposely obtuse. The average minimum contract and average rookie contract for guys selected between picks 20-30 are super close. And with a first round pick you have way more flexibility because if you find a second round gem you also have to give them a bigger extension way sooner then someone you drafted in the 1st. Restricted free agency also basically guarantees that you have them under control for like 8 seasons or at the very minimum can get assets in return like we're seeing the Suns do with Ayton. Literally the only time teams trade out of late firsts for second round picks is if they're also getting salary cap relief. Teams don't come into the draft scared because a guy might bust, it's a $2M salary for two seasons. The Warriors are set to have the biggest luxury tax bill in NBA history and still used their own first round pick. Your trade value chart must be absolute chaos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 9, 2022 Author Share Posted July 9, 2022 23 minutes ago, CWood21 said: I refuse to believe that you're this naive that you're not following the rumors. Let's recap them, shall we? FACTS 1.) Lakers want Kyrie Irving. 2.) Nets need to add salary in order to take on Westbrook. REPORTED 1.) Lakers do NOT have interest in adding Joe Harris, and prefer Seth Curry as the salary ballast as part of the trade. 2.) Nets have ZERO interest in taking on Russell Westbrook and his salary. There's absolutely NOTHING to suggest that the Lakers aren't willing to include picks in a Westbrook/Irving. I think the number of picks involved and the protections involved in those picks are probably the bigger hurdle to clear. The Lakers just handed over the #8 pick in the '22 draft to the Pelicans. If the Lakers didn't win a championship in 2020, that'd probably be a bigger black eye than they'd care to admit. The Lakers' cap after this season is remarkably clear. They've got Anthony Davis and potentially THT and Damion Jones under contract. That's max FA contract cap space. But that's also without LeBron James. They're keeping cap flexibility right now. The Nets don't want to trade Joe Harris though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 9, 2022 Author Share Posted July 9, 2022 I wish the Jazz would offer the Nets expiring deals, a pick, and possibly a young dude or two for Ben. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 Ain't no way... 😭 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 9, 2022 Author Share Posted July 9, 2022 2 hours ago, TheRealMcCoy said: The deal has been done for days now, what's the hold up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 11 hours ago, NYRaider said: The deal has been done for days now, what's the hold up? Because it's not actually done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 Still think BKN/LAL/SAS is the most logical Kyrie trade solution, but maybe trying to expand it a bit more depending on what Brooklyn's wants/needs are. If they're really trying to stay competitive, maybe this alternative would work. This is just the framework, and picks can be altered. @NYRaider Brooklyn Nets Receive: PG Mike Conley '29/'27 FRP (via LAL) Los Angeles Lakers Receive: PG Kyrie Irving Utah Jazz Receive: PG Russell Westbrook '28 Pick Swap (via LAL) '29/'27 FRP (via LAL, Brooklyn's preference) San Antonio Spurs Receive: PG Patrick Beverley (Waived) SG Leandro Bolmaro '23 FRP (via UTA, least favorable of PHI/UTA/BKN/HOU/MIN) EDIT: Forgot to add that this deal can't be completed until September 4th, but training camp doesn't open until later that month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 9, 2022 Author Share Posted July 9, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, CWood21 said: Still think BKN/LAL/SAS is the most logical Kyrie trade solution, but maybe trying to expand it a bit more depending on what Brooklyn's wants/needs are. If they're really trying to stay competitive, maybe this alternative would work. This is just the framework, and picks can be altered. @NYRaider Brooklyn Nets Receive: PG Mike Conley '29/'27 FRP (via LAL) Los Angeles Lakers Receive: PG Kyrie Irving Utah Jazz Receive: PG Russell Westbrook '28 Pick Swap (via LAL) '29/'27 FRP (via LAL, Brooklyn's preference) San Antonio Spurs Receive: PG Patrick Beverley (Waived) SG Leandro Bolmaro '23 FRP (via UTA, least favorable of PHI/UTA/BKN/HOU/MIN) EDIT: Forgot to add that this deal can't be completed until September 4th, but training camp doesn't open until later that month. We'd be trading Beverly's expiring deal, Bolmaro, and a 2023 1st to take on Russ salary? We're not giving away 2/3 solid assets to dump Conley, lol. In this trade we'd be sending out: • Pat Beverly ($13M expiring) as a guy that should be valued by playoff teams and a valuable asset at the deadline because of his contract/on ball defense. • Leandro Bolmaro a 21 year old, former 1st round pick wing, on a roster that's extremely thin on the wing with minimal young talent to develop. • 2023 1st round pick when we're looking to rebuild our roster and have a ton of flexibility next offseason with 3 picks and like $45-50M in cap space. • Mike Conley who has 2 years left on his deal but the final season is only partially guaranteed. We'd also be trading away three players and only receiving one back so after we signed vet minimum guys to fill out our roster we'd be in the luxury tax again. Edited July 10, 2022 by NYRaider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NYRaider Posted July 9, 2022 Author Share Posted July 9, 2022 Quote League sources maintain that the Nets are A) focused on trying to assemble a palatable Kevin Durant trade before proceeding to Kyrie Irving scenarios and B) adamant in their resistance to taking back Russell Westbrook in a theoretical Irving swap without, for starters, some first-round draft compensation added by the Lakers. Westbrook, remember, is scheduled to earn nearly $11 million more than Irving next season, which would cost Brooklyn an additional $50 million once luxury-tax penalties are factored in according to a piece earlier this week from my Bleacher Report colleague Jake Fischer. – via Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 10, 2022 Author Share Posted July 10, 2022 18 hours ago, TheRealMcCoy said: Ain't no way... 😭 Coach Russ is here to stay baby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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