NYRaider Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 Just now, Sllim Pickens said: Jordan went to the playoffs while doing it. Beal couldn't win enough games to matter. Hell he only played 2/3 of those seasons so if he played the full season he likely wouldn't have finished that high. Empty stats mean nothing to me. A lot of guys are great on bad teams and then when they have to fit into a system, they struggle. And yes, taking a few more shots a game is different than taking 12 more shots a game. Beal and Sexton play the same role. Beal was a bigger ball hog, Sexton didn't need to take as many shots or his coach wouldnt let him, because he knows it leads to a bunch of L's like Beal got. Beal is one of only 6 players in NBA history to have back to back 30+ ppg seasons so guys aren't doing as great as great as he has on bad teams. I think Beal like Booker or LaVine would be a nice addition to a contending team, he's just not able to lift one of the least talented teams in the league like LeBron James, nothing wrong with that. Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, etc. couldn't win as the guy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sllim Pickens Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Players to average 30+ PPG in back-to-back seasons since the NBA-ABA merger in 1976: Adrian Dantley Michael Jordan - seven straight Allen Iverson - twice Kobe Bryant James Harden - three straight Bradley Beal Russ is the all time leader in triple doubles, averaged a triple double a couple years in a row. His team didnt win with it and he has bounced around the league since his age 29 season because his style is not conducive to winning. Beal is the scoring equivalent of that. He did something that is impressive on bad teams. He will not do that on good teams that have other scorers and he will be considered overpaid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sllim Pickens Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: Beal is one of only 6 players in NBA history to have back to back 30+ ppg seasons so guys aren't doing as great as great as he has on bad teams. I think Beal like Booker or LaVine would be a nice addition to a contending team, he's just not able to lift one of the least talented teams in the league like LeBron James, nothing wrong with that. Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, etc. couldn't win as the guy... Book and Lavine play defense. If their scoring dips, they have defense to hang their hat on. Beal has been a bottom 5 defender. If I am giving a big contract to a guy moving to a new system, I dont want to have to depend on them to do something they havent done if their scoring slips. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Sllim Pickens said: Book and Lavine play defense. If their scoring dips, they have defense to hang their hat on. Beal has been a bottom 5 defender. If I am giving a big contract to a guy moving to a new system, I dont want to have to depend on them to do something they havent done if their scoring slips. Booker was viewed just like Beal his first 5 seasons and when has LaVine played defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DUKE Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Beal is one of only 6 players in NBA history to have back to back 30+ ppg seasons And 3 of them never won a ring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, NYRaider said: I think Beal like Booker or LaVine would be a nice addition to a contending team, he's just not able to lift one of the least talented teams in the league like LeBron James, nothing wrong with that. Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, etc. couldn't win as the guy... This is the point though. You don't want to pay that guy $50 mil/year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said: Russ is the all time leader in triple doubles, averaged a triple double a couple years in a row. His team didnt win with it and he has bounced around the league since his age 29 season because his style is not conducive to winning. Beal is the scoring equivalent of that. He did something that is impressive on bad teams. He will not do that on good teams that have other scorers and he will be considered overpaid. We've literally never seen Beal in a good situation so how can you say that he's not someone that could help a good team? Wiggins couldn't either, funny what happened when he went somewhere good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Bullet Club said: This is the point though. You don't want to pay that guy $50 mil/year. I agree that Beal isn't worth $50M for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, THE DUKE said: And 3 of them never won a ring Beal clearly isn't the #1 option on a title team but if he went somewhere like Philadelphia or Boston I think he could help them get over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sllim Pickens Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Booker was viewed just like Beal his first 5 seasons and when has LaVine played defense? Both have been better defenders than Beal, by far. Lavine was not as good this year as the last two. He is also 2 years younger. He also probably isn't worth the max deal he will get but I'd much rather pay him than Beal. Lavine showed he can score in a system with other talent around him and win games. Beal has never done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DUKE Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: I agree that Beal isn't worth $50M for sure. That's the point. No one is saying he is ***, just that he isn't someone a good team is paying a max deal to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Sllim Pickens said: Both have been better defenders than Beal, by far. Lavine was not as good this year as the last two. He is also 2 years younger. He also probably isn't worth the max deal he will get but I'd much rather pay him than Beal. Lavine showed he can score in a system with other talent around him and win games. Beal has never done that. What about in 2016 when he did it on a 49 win team? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 minute ago, THE DUKE said: That's the point. No one is saying he is ***, just that he isn't someone a good team is paying a max deal to. If Beal became available I'm sure Miami, Boston, Philadelphia, and more would be interested in acquiring him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DUKE Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: If Beal became available I'm sure Miami, Boston, Philadelphia, and more would be interested in acquiring him. I could see the overpay if you think he is the final piece to try to win a championship, but you better have a #1 option already, and you can kiss flexibility goodbye. Also don't expect him to score 30+ on a better team with other scorers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, NYRaider said: We've literally never seen Beal in a good situation so how can you say that he's not someone that could help a good team? Wiggins couldn't either, funny what happened when he went somewhere good... Wiggins was seen as an awful contract at 31 mil/year, and he turned himself into one of the better 3&D guys in the NBA. Beal doesn't seem the type to give up shots to become a gritty role player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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