Forge Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, beekay414 said: lol explain to me how they are getting him for far cheaper than us? We're not adding Casey for them to retain for 30 games. I would assume that they are viewing Nikishin > Holtz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Forge said: I would assume that they are viewing Nikishin > Holtz. Now do Casey and a 4th rounder vs Ryan friggin' Suzuki. Oh and they get a 4th rounder back lmao. Meier retained for less than 30 games isn't worth Casey and an additional 4th. They get a 4th rounder + Meier for Nikishin, basically the same draft pick and then an AHL caliber C while we have to give up two top prospects, a 1st and a 4th for a retained Meier? Yeah, okay. Even if Nikishin is better than Holtz, the difference between them isn't THAT significant. We're paying entirely way more than them here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Just now, beekay414 said: Now do Casey and a 4th rounder vs Ryan friggin' Suzuki. Oh and they get a 4th rounder back lmao. Meier retained for less than 30 games isn't worth Casey and an additional 4th. They get a 4th rounder + Meier for Nikishin, basically the same draft pick and then an AHL caliber C while we have to give up two top prospects, a 1st and a 4th for a retained Meier? Yeah, okay. Even if Nikishin is better than Holtz, the difference between them isn't THAT significant. We're paying entirely way more than them here. I would assume that the 4th goes back along with Johnsson + retention, which I think is fair. I have no issues with that. So Nikishin + Suzuki or Holtz + Casey. If that is the baseline of what Carolina is putting on the board, Holtz + Casey could be what it takes to get the deal done. Given Nikishin's season in the KHL, I'm not going to put it past the Sharks to want him a lot more than Holtz, but he's also in the KHL 2 more years, guaranteed. That has to ding the value. Suzuki is basically Nolan Foote (they were selected back to back in 2019 and they are both quite underwhelming), so jumping all the way up to Casey just to beat a Suzuki add seems steep. They'd have to value Nikishin so much more. This seems like a case where I'd rather give them Foote + Vilen to try and beat that package from Carolina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Forge said: I would assume that the 4th goes back along with Johnsson + retention, which I think is fair. I have no issues with that. So Nikishin + Suzuki or Holtz + Casey. If that is the baseline of what Carolina is putting on the board, Holtz + Casey could be what it takes to get the deal done. Given Nikishin's season in the KHL, I'm not going to put it past the Sharks to want him a lot more than Holtz, but he's also in the KHL 2 more years, guaranteed. That has to ding the value. Suzuki is basically Nolan Foote (they were selected back to back in 2019 and they are both quite underwhelming), so jumping all the way up to Casey just to beat a Suzuki add seems steep. They'd have to value Nikishin so much more. This seems like a case where I'd rather give them Foote + Vilen to try and beat that package from Carolina No, I get the reasoning for most of it, my issue is the last part. Jumping from an underwhelming AHL fodder C prospect to Seamus Casey is just absurd to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Forge Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Just now, beekay414 said: They are going to take this all the way to the deadline, aren't they? San Jose strategy here is mind boggling lol. They are legit going to win games in a lost season with a generational prospect available at the top by having Timo on the roster so much longer than they should. I'll give Shero credit...when he knew that season wasn't happening, he moved Hall asap, and he should have gotten a nice reward for it (stupid play-ins cost us a top 10 pick....though Mercer has been a quality player). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Forge said: They are going to take this all the way to the deadline, aren't they? San Jose strategy here is mind boggling lol. They are legit going to win games in a lost season with a generational prospect available at the top by having Timo on the roster so much longer than they should. I'll give Shero credit...when he knew that season wasn't happening, he moved Hall asap, and he should have gotten a nice reward for it (stupid play-ins cost us a top 10 pick....though Mercer has been a quality player). I don't blame them for trying to maximize the return but, as you said, they are ruining their odds in an amazing draft. They need to retain on Karlsson, even if would mean retaining on two players for multiple seasons (it's not like they're going to have anyone else they need to retain on to trade before those contracts expire), but they need to do it soon. They'll get great returns for Karlsson and Meier while improving their odds for Bedard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 I just want this to be over.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninerholic Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Forge said: I just want this to be over.... As a sharks fan I couldn’t agree more. I’m tired of talking about it. Get it over so I can move on. I love Meier and it sucks but it’s time to get this over with. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Forge said: I just want this to be over.... Roughly 2 weeks left lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 2 hours ago, beekay414 said: Roughly 2 weeks left lol Watch San Jose just keep him and decide to send him to someone else during the off season. Would be hilarious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Forge said: Watch San Jose just keep him and decide to send him to someone else during the off season. Would be hilarious Would be dumbbbbbbbb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Haula / Rango / zerterlund needs to stay together. They've done really well since being made a line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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beekay414 Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 I wouldn't be opposed to using Miles Wood as salary filler. He needs to come out of the lineup when Jack is back. Boqvist is so much better than him now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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