Caleb Williams

[Tank4Drake]

15 hours ago, NYRaider said:

Waldron is terrible and so is their OL

As I’ve said 15 times in this thread, all the sites ranked the Bears Top 14 OL going into the year and Middle of the Pack in current-time after three weeks. It’s Caleb. He holds onto the ball and cannot process well. His football IQ is not good enough to make an OL look better. His ability to read a defense is trash. 

Daniels has the worst OL in the NFL. Heck, the worst OL of any team the past three seasons is something you can argue. Jayden makes his OL look way better because he’s a high IQ player. Russell Wilson had the dead last #32 pass protection according to football outsiders for FIVE years in a row, he still balled out all five years. This was around 2015-2019. 

Maye will have the 30th Ranked OL according to PFF and 31st according to Sharp Football. Do you know what’s gonna happen? Maye is going to perform well. Because he’s a good QB and really high IQ player. 

- Daniels has the worst OL, Terry McLaurin, and a bunch of WR5’s with no TE (Ertz is barely clinging to the league). 

- Maye will have a Bottom 3 OL and Bottom 3 Weapon Cast. 

- Caleb has a Middle of the Pack OL with the greatest Weapon Cast for a Rookie QB ever assembled. 

The fact people are making excuses for his atrocious play is mind blowing. But it was definitely bound to happen. 

[Steelersfan43]

7 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said:

No he’s not lol. Same Fields. Holds onto the ball forever and can’t process. He’s just with an actual coach that can win now. Tomlin can get 9 wins from a body bag at QB.

Not true he hold the ball too long with the steelers.Not the case in the last 2 games

[Tank4Drake]

1 minute ago, Steelersfan43 said:

Not true he hold the ball too long with the steelers.Not the case in the last 2 games

Still will never be a good passer. He’ll have his moments but he’s not a great pure thrower and not a great processor. 

[NYRaider]

2 hours ago, Tank4Drake said:

- Caleb has a Middle of the Pack OL with the greatest Weapon Cast for a Rookie QB ever assembled. 

If you think Caleb has a middle of the pack OL you haven't been watching the games, they have been terrible and Waldron's play calling has made it worse. There's a clear difference in Kingsbury and Waldron as the play caller and his great weapons have all been banged up this year.

[Tank4Drake]

3 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

If you think Caleb has a middle of the pack OL you haven't been watching the games, they have been terrible and Waldron's play calling has made it worse. There's a clear difference in Kingsbury and Waldron as the play caller and his great weapons have all been banged up this year.

No, Caleb makes them worse. He cannot read defenses fast enough. 

Also every single person on this forum was absolutely clowning Kingsburry before the season.. now Jayden is doing well and everyone is saying Kingsbury is a net positive for Jayden lol. Caleb fans love to have their cake and eat it too. 

Edited 9 hours ago by Tank4Drake

[NYRaider]

2 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said:

No, Caleb makes them worse. He cannot read defenses fast enough. 

Also every single person on this forum was absolutely clowning Kingsburry before the season.. now Jayden is doing well and everyone is saying Kingsbury is a net positive for Jayden lol. Caleb fans love to have their cake and eat it too. 

So he's the reason they can't run the ball either?

Kliff wasn't a good head coach but there's no denying he's a bright offensive mind. The Cardinals were basically a top 10 offense whenever Kyler was healthy and he helped Kyler have one of the better rookie seasons in NFL history.

 

[Tank4Drake]

11 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

So he's the reason they can't run the ball either?

Kliff wasn't a good head coach but there's no denying he's a bright offensive mind. The Cardinals were basically a top 10 offense whenever Kyler was healthy and he helped Kyler have one of the better rookie seasons in NFL history.

 

They will run better with Roschon and Herbert. Swift is TERRIBLE and I have no clue what they were thinking signing him. In 150 Best Ball Mania drafts I took Roschon 15 times, Herbert 6 times, and Swift a big fat 0. 

As for Kliff, no, 90% (easily) of this forum was calling him a terrible playcaller with a terrible scheme. 

[NYRaider]

1 minute ago, Tank4Drake said:

They will run better with Roschon and Herbert. Swift is TERRIBLE and I have no clue what they were thinking signing him. In 150 Best Ball Mania drafts I took Roschon 15 times, Herbert 6 times, and Swift a big fat 0. 

As for Kliff, no, 90% (easily) of this forum was calling him a terrible playcaller with a terrible scheme. 

Swift has been super efficient throughout his career until this season. Herbert is only averaging 2 ypc and Roschon is averaging 3.8 ypc. The Seahawks were one of the worst running teams in the league last year under Waldron despite having Walker and Charbonnet. Asking Caleb to throw the ball 40 times per game with the worst running offense in the league isn't a recipe for success.

Kliff was the perfect fit for Jayden as we saw what he did with Kyler.

[Tank4Drake]

1 minute ago, NYRaider said:

Swift has been super efficient throughout his career until this season. Herbert is only averaging 2 ypc and Roschon is averaging 3.8 ypc. The Seahawks were one of the worst running teams in the league last year under Waldron despite having Walker and Charbonnet. Asking Caleb to throw the ball 40 times per game with the worst running offense in the league isn't a recipe for success.

Kliff was the perfect fit for Jayden as we saw what he did with Kyler.

No he hasn’t. Any sharp analytics guy will tell you Swift has always been terrible. His success rate is always dead last in the league and a legendary 0% this year. Saying Swift is efficient is the most casual take ive ever heard. Yards per carry isn’t everything. Every efficiency metric Swift has been legit legendary atrocious in for years. 

[Tank4Drake]

Swift is so bad the Lions were begging a team to trade for him and took a RB at pick 12 lol. 

Eagles ditched him after one season and were praying some sucker GM doesn’t know anything about analytics. 

[NYRaider]

8 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said:

No he hasn’t. Any sharp analytics guy will tell you Swift has always been terrible. His success rate is always dead last in the league and a legendary 0% this year. Saying Swift is efficient is the most casual take ive ever heard. Yards per carry isn’t everything. Every efficiency metric Swift has been legit legendary atrocious in for years. 

Swift was 6th in rushing success rate last season and has always been a good receiver, he just couldn't stay healthy in Detroit.

 

[NYRaider]

6 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said:

Swift is so bad the Lions were begging a team to trade for him and took a RB at pick 12 lol. 

Eagles ditched him after one season and were praying some sucker GM doesn’t know anything about analytics. 

They clearly didn't want to pay a RB that couldn't stay healthy and the Eagles signed arguably the best RB in the league, lol

[Sugashane]

4 hours ago, Tank4Drake said:

No he’s not lol. Same Fields. Holds onto the ball forever and can’t process. He’s just with an actual coach that can win now. Tomlin can get 9 wins from a body bag at QB.

Especially when they're only giving up 9ppg. Lol

 

1 hour ago, NYRaider said:

If you think Caleb has a middle of the pack OL you haven't been watching the games, they have been terrible and Waldron's play calling has made it worse. There's a clear difference in Kingsbury and Waldron as the play caller and his great weapons have all been banged up this year.

Yeah, just seems some stats are being petty confidently ignored too. Williams is jolting onto the ball too long and the OL is supposedly average but he is shown to have only 2.2 secs in the pocket, only 2 other QBs with 50 attempts have a shorter time. Even with that he still has 14 hurries, tied for tops in the league.

NGS has him at the 23rd longest time to throw, so the 13th fastest of qualified passers. They have him as the 9th lowest aggression rate so he isn't exactly "holding on to the ball too long" and is just parroting nonsense. Most of Williams' long throws have come from him escaping immediate pressure rather than sitting back there for the 5-10 seconds you'd hear he was waiting to throw.

I already broke down and disproved the "greatest weapon cast for a rookie ever" but that's another point to ignore.

But hey, preseason rankings from PFF (lol) mean more than current data or actually watching, right?

[4thandInches]

There is no way that bear OL is middle of the pack, that performance against hou was a horror show. Worst OL performance I’ve seen since that massacre dal@nyg last year.

[Sugashane]

48 minutes ago, 4thandInches said:

There is no way that bear OL is middle of the pack, that performance against hou was a horror show. Worst OL performance I’ve seen since that massacre dal@nyg last year.

Are you questioning our lord and saviours at PFF?!??!