Thomas5737 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 Belichick in his day was the best at shutting down the opposing offense's best player. It was pretty uncanny. That faded the last few years probably because of personnel. I never liked Brady or Belichick but it's silly to try to claim either of them having had nothing to do with the other's success. Sure, Brady could win with other good teams but Belichick could have won with other good rosters. Heck, he beat the Patriots in the playoffs with the Browns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted October 11 Author Share Posted October 11 1 hour ago, lavar703 said: He had an 11-win season with Testaverde throwing more interceptions than TDs. He had an 11-win season with Matt Cassell and had a 10-win season with Mack Jones his rookie year. Now if you want to say he’s a bad GM I’ll give you that. His drafting always undermined his coaching but as far as coaching goes he’s absolutely on Mount Rushmore. Why does his coaching tree matter? Joe Gibbs is arguably the GOAT and his coaching tree did nothing either. Would you say Jay Gruden was an excellent coach? His coaching tree includes McVay and KOC. Again, why are you cherry picking individual seasons and not looking at the whole resume without Tom in the starting lineup? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 1 hour ago, Mdpackfan22 said: We gonna ignore that Brady left to form the closest thing to a super team in the NFL? Bucs were the perfect situation for Brady to walk into. They had a great defense. Good weapons with Evans, Godwin, Brate and Howard. Had a top 15 draft pick to add OL talent. Oh and then they signed Gronk, Fournette, Suh and Antonio Brown on top of that. Meanwhile NE was left in cap hell from going all in during Brady's twilight years. No **** Brady was in a better position to win than Bill. The year before he got there they somehow won 7 games with a QB who threw 30 interceptions lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 1 hour ago, CP3MVP said: Again, why are you cherry picking individual seasons and not looking at the whole resume without Tom in the starting lineup? I already gave the whole resume earlier lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football_Bachelor08 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 3 hours ago, Mdpackfan22 said: We gonna ignore that Brady left to form the closest thing to a super team in the NFL? Bucs were the perfect situation for Brady to walk into. They had a great defense. Good weapons with Evans, Godwin, Brate and Howard. Had a top 15 draft pick to add OL talent. Oh and then they signed Gronk, Fournette, Suh and Antonio Brown on top of that. Meanwhile NE was left in cap hell from going all in during Brady's twilight years. No **** Brady was in a better position to win than Bill. So why didn't Jameis win a damn thing with them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football_Bachelor08 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 6 hours ago, lavar703 said: Oh I didn’t realize coordinators have nothing to do with the team. I had no clue they weren’t needed to win super bowls… The W-L record doesn't appear on the DC's resume. Sorry, those are the rules. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football_Bachelor08 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 4 hours ago, lavar703 said: He had an 11-win season with Testaverde throwing more interceptions than TDs. He had an 11-win season with Matt Cassell and had a 10-win season with Mack Jones his rookie year. Now if you want to say he’s a bad GM I’ll give you that. His drafting always undermined his coaching but as far as coaching goes he’s absolutely on Mount Rushmore. Why does his coaching tree matter? Joe Gibbs is arguably the GOAT and his coaching tree did nothing either. Would you say Jay Gruden was an excellent coach? His coaching tree includes McVay and KOC. Again, 81-98 without Brady and one measley playoff win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football_Bachelor08 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 3 hours ago, Jetzger said: Tom Brady had his only losing season when Belichick wasn’t his coach 🤷♂️ He was washed up by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 5 hours ago, Thomas5737 said: Pete Barrington Who?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 38 minutes ago, Pugger said: Who?? Yep you got it, from the W.H.O. The world hopscotch organization. I'm impressed you knew that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 2 hours ago, Football_Bachelor08 said: Again, 81-98 without Brady and one measley playoff win. Why do you keep saying 81’? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggust Posted Saturday at 11:29 AM Share Posted Saturday at 11:29 AM 16 hours ago, Jakuvious said: I think it's because we have nothing else. We aren't privy enough to actually judge the work we do. I mean, we can see like, how competent they look at press conferences and if they understand analytics and clock management, but those things are tiny, portions of the job. We have the same issue with GMs. GMs are judged off of like, draft success and team wins. I guess they're kind of weighed on salary cap management, but most people honestly can't speak on that anyway. But like, judging GMs on draft classes is silly when we don't really know most of the time whether it's really good/bad draft picks versus good/bad player development. Sam Darnold was the kind of pick that gets a GM fired...until suddenly he's not. We just don't have much to go off of with these spots, honestly. I don't understand the idea that since statistics are often not accurate or representative of players or coaches' ability, we often instead introduce subjective hypotheticals that are ALWAYS inaccurate and non-representative lol. (e.g. - "Wins aren't a QB stat, but if you put X player on Y team, they win 3 SBs!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggust Posted Saturday at 11:38 AM Share Posted Saturday at 11:38 AM On 10/10/2024 at 1:08 PM, Football_Bachelor08 said: Belichick was never the GOAT coach. His track record minus Brady is abysmal. Who are the top 3 GOAT coaches then, in your mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbertGOAT Posted Saturday at 02:09 PM Share Posted Saturday at 02:09 PM 15 hours ago, Mdpackfan22 said: We gonna ignore that Brady left to form the closest thing to a super team in the NFL? Bucs were the perfect situation for Brady to walk into. They had a great defense. Good weapons with Evans, Godwin, Brate and Howard. Had a top 15 draft pick to add OL talent. Oh and then they signed Gronk, Fournette, Suh and Antonio Brown on top of that. Meanwhile NE was left in cap hell from going all in during Brady's twilight years. No **** Brady was in a better position to win than Bill. NOPE! Despite everybody agreeing that TB was stacked before Brady got there, and all they needed was a QB to not throw 30 INTs in a single year, all of that vanished as soon as Tom showed up. Mike Evans is a bum, Chris Godwin was a glorified Corey Coleman, and their defense was bad. Tom Brady's motivational text messages to his defensive teammates MADE them be good, because of his LEADERSHIP and AURA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbertGOAT Posted Saturday at 02:10 PM Share Posted Saturday at 02:10 PM 11 hours ago, Football_Bachelor08 said: So why didn't Jameis win a damn thing with them? How many teams win rings with QBs who throw 30 INTs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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