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Disagree. If by steady you mean the head and shoulders above the rest best with a clear All-Pro by year 2 trajectory, then yeah "he's steady."

I'm burning our second 3rd round pick for the ability to trade up and take Jedrick Wills Jr. We may hit on a player in the 3rd round or we may trade it for future draft capital, but at this point it's far more important to get a foundational Tackle rather than staying put so we can keep a later 3rd round pick. Giving up a 3rd round pick to get the clear best Tackle in the draft is a no brainer.

Prepare thineself. Repent. The day of reckoning is ...

And the best way to prepare for Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, or Trey Lance is to build the Offensive Line. If the Giants go OLine as they are expected, the Cardinals go OLine as expected, then you add in the Panthers, and Chargers who post combine are "reportedly" not in on Herbert or Tua it all leads to what could amount to the worst of scenarios for the Browns to get a top Tackle. As much as we'd all love to believe Jordan Love and Justin Herbert are top 10 teams guys, that just might not be th case. It's going to be a wild ride to the 10th pick on draft day.

Man... it's going to suck to see him come off the board in the 2nd. Probably right though. I know nothing of David Onyemata DT. Will have to look him up. You're riding that Essang Bassey train until the wheels fall off (which they will). I can respect it. Wirfs isn't a mauler or people mover, but he's a special finesse zone player and unbelievable when he's uncovered in space on the move be it working to the second level, pulling, or moving down the field. There's never been a freakier Olineman in space and his highlight down field and blocks in space are some of the most insane plays I've ever seen. He doesn't mash defenders or display functional strength and/or functional power enough despite being a freak in that regard testing wise. His technique as a tackle is horrendous at times with oversets and lunging. Joe Thomas said he's guard b/c of his hip inflexibility. Now that Joe Thomas is on the Wirfs is a Guard train, you might as well join us (we've got a lot of space on this train).

Watched 6 games worth of snaps from Reggie Robinson II, CB Tulsa over the weekend. He's going to be a star given 3 years of development and hidden gem in the 4th round. The Browns can't fix all issues in one draft, and they have to let the board fall as it does. My locked-in Final More Realistic My Guys Draft: 1.) Jedrick Wills Jr., OT Alabama 2.) Cole Kmet, TE Notre Dame 3.) Antoine Winfield Jr., SS Minnesota -- **LIkely Via Trade Up into the 2nd Round** 3.) Robert Hunt, OG/OT Louisiana-Lafayette 4.) Reggie Robinson II, CB Tulsa 5.) Antonio Gibson, OP Memphis -- **Acquired Via Trade** 6.) Tyrie Cleveland, WR Florida 7.) Daishawn Dixon, OG San Diego State 7.) Lynn Bowden Jr, WR/KR/PR Kentucky // Joe Reed, WR/KR/PR Virgina

Tanner Muse, LB/S Clemson with an Unbelievable 40-time as it relates to tape/play speed versus timed speed. Runs 4.43. He looked so much slower than that often getting blown by and having to chase Antoine WInfield Jr: 4.48 - Great time for him Xavier Mckinney: 4.64 - Likely there in the 2nd round. Jeremy Chinn: 4.46 - A lot of Obi Melifonwu to his game. Body beautiful, splash plays, but doesn't have the it factor and could be cheeks at the next level. Kyle Dugger: 4.50 Jalen Elliott: 4.81 - Fluid, coordinated but slow. Surprising time.

Jeffrey Okudah with 4.48 and 4.50, 40 yard dash times. We still need him to go top 5 desperately to push the OTs down. Not sure if those times will change that or not.

Sometimes arm length isn't an issue in play, but it really was one for him though as he let's guys get into him and feels the need to bend at the waste to keep guys on the outside. He flashes a lot but has long periods of cheeks play. If the Browns trade down and select him in the 1st round, we should all be terrified at the upcoming years of torture Andrew Berry and this Front Office has in store for us.

Lol, of course. Ultimately, anything that comes out about Wills that causes teams to have doubts is amazing for the Browns and I welcome it. But the "can't comprehend offense/defense/blocking scheme" type of rumors that come out every year during the draft lead up is always a real funny one and seriously disrespects the base human intelligence of these young men and treats the game of football's conditional logic as if it's splitting the atom. If you can be diligent enough in studies to even "bs your way through to" a 3.54 in Economics and Finance as an academic all-american in college at a school like Alabama you don't lack the diligence or intelligence to grasp blocking schemes. Saban spoke highly of Wills' accountability and commitment. His play shows advanced feel for the game and comprehension.

Silly season is here, and I love it. Comprehending blocking schemes isn't rocket science. Wills is an Economic Systems and Finance Major with a 3.54 GPA, 10 credits away from graduation in his Junior year, and was academic all-district team his entire career. Wouldn't be surprised if one of the main teams putting out bad info on Wills is the Browns. If so, Berry is doing his job as he should be. The tape shows high level comprehension as Wills had multiple instances taking out 2 and 3 defenders often his primary defender, a help defender, and then working to the second level. Lance Zierlein, Daniel Jeremiah, and Matt Money Smith talked about how that he took out 3 defenders on film over 14 times. To start at Bama and block the blindside of the QB one has to be accountable and have a high level of comprehension. Wills is clearly a notch above the rest. If he falls, it will be because of the behemoth athletic upside seen in Becton and Wirfs.

Never ever said I had source that we were getting McCarthy or Urban or Rivera. I had trade down options at 3 and 4. (See what I actually said below):

The core of your take displays a true depth of understanding regarding Baker Mayfield's play that is rarely discussed or grasped. Matt Waldman from the RSP Portfolio talked in depth about what he called Baker's "Phantom Progression Reading" and how without a certain depth of knowledge of football and quarterbacking one could easily assume that Baker is doing full-field progressions reading when he isn't. There are a wide-variety of tell-tale signs that often get missed on how to identify when he's really reading through progressions versus not. When we see a QB drop back and lock onto one receiver It's easy to say "that QB just stared the guy down and didn't go through his reads." It's a lot harder to come to the same conclusion for fans when they see a QB look one way then look another. People assume that means the QB at least read 2 progressions, but often that's not the case at all especially when a lot of looking one way or the other can be based on a phantom read or misdirection. Indeed, Baker he was always often predetermining throws and giving off the illusion of progression reading, but what's changed in year 2 (besides Freddie's failings) was that 1.) Defensive were more prepared to disregard his phantom-read/eye deceptions and just sit on routes he's doesn't look to as the first "read," and 2.) He did not decisively make throws and decisions based on defensive scheming, his lack of next level knowledge of pre-snap look adjustments and cue reading, Freddie's failings, and lack of chemistry with the WRs. All young QB have issues with pre-snap and post-snap reads and Baker has his issues of recognizing leverage and understanding where to go with the ball based on pre and post snap looks. He often looks one way and comes back to another but isn't making decisions consistently based on high-level feel and knowledge of the correct pre-snap and post-snap live reading and adjustment. For the writer of the article, I can applaud anyone that sets out to try to attempt to analyze and evaluate every snap of a given players full season play; however, it's clear that there was a depth of traditional QB scouting analysis understanding missing from his analytic framework including looking at the quality of pre-snap decisions/non-decisions, the defensive play-call versus the offensive play-call success rate, time to drop depth, phantom versus real progression reading, does the QB recognize the leverage and make/miss the throw versus not recognizing the leverage, etc. All and all still the piece was a worthy endeavor.

A Couple Quick Combine Notes & A Wild One: 1.) Word out of the combine from those in the know within the Giants organization is that the Giants are solely locked in on Tristan Wirfs or Isaiah Simmons with Wirfs being the apple of their eye. This was the case apparently well before the NFL Combine started. I've personally been thinking that Mekhi Becton would be the "lock-fit" for what Dave Gettleman and co. love, but that's not looking like the case. I don't know if combine interviews or medicals have changed anything, but the G-Men are representing that they are all-in on Wirfs with Simmons being a desirable second option. 2.) A wild one for the Dolphins. Either Chris Grier and co. are at the height of their elegant misinformation powers or they are about to shock the football draft world. There's a very very strong belief that the Chris Grier and the Dolphins are going to shock everyone who thinks they are all in on either Justin Herbert or Tua Tagovailoa by instead deciding that they'd rather wait for next year to select from Trey Lance, Trevor Lawrence, or Justin Fields as primary options with Jamie Newman and D'Eriq King being highly regarded but less valued relative to Lawrence, Fields, and Lance. Grier is thought to have his eyes on a pairing of Jedrick Wills Jr. in the 1st and Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round with the goal to trade down first and accrue more assets for the 2021 QB selection sweepstakes. Flores also loves Hurts' leadership and thinks his game will go to the next level in the pros. The thought being that they have enough extra draft capital this year to secure a potential core foundational QB piece while still setting themselves up for the elite 3 QBs likely to come out in next year's draft in the event that Hurts isn't it. Mekhi Becton and Andrew Thomas are highly desired options as well in the 1st before then turning to drafting Jalen Hurts still in the 2nd round. Miami scouts have been doing tons of extensive background work on JK Dobbins, Jonathan Taylor, and D'Andre Swift. Taken together, it's led some to believe that the Dolphins plans are to build out with a core of Wills, Hurts, and Dobbins/Swift and head into the 2021 Draft with ability to compete for the top 3 QBs of Lawrence, Lance, and Fields. --------------- So, now it seems like the top 4 out of the first 5 picks could be trending towards: 1.) Bengals -- Joe Burrow -- 99.9% Confidence 2.) Washington -- Chase Young -- 99.9% Confidence 3.) Lions -- Isaiah Simmons --OR-- Jeffrey Okudah -- OR-- Trade Down -- 0% Confidence 4.) Giants -- Tristan Wirfs --OR-- Isaiah Simmons --OR-- Trade Down -- 90.0% Confidence 5.) Dolphins -- Jedrick Wills Jr. -- OR -- Mekhi Becton -- 65% Confidence I'm still of the belief that it is more than worthwhile to trade a 3rd round pick to trade up for Jedrick Wills Jr. I know everyone loves Mekhi Becton, but he's just not even close to the level that Wills is on. If Simmons goes to the Lions at 3 and Wirfs indeed goes to the Giants at 4, then I definitely think Derrick Brown is going to fall down the board with the possibility that Jeffrey Okudah does some as well. --------- I finally got around to watching QBs more intently in this year's draft prospect pool. Cole McDonald is my late round guy. Give me Baker Mayfield, Case Keenum, and Cole McDonald in the QB room.

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I don't know about Herbert going top 9. We need it badly. Indeed, he is a good player. GMs might love the non-QB talent more instead of invest 4 to 5 years of their roster direction on Herbert. It all comes down to Herbert.

@NudeTayne Prepare thyself. It is upon us. It is of your own doing. All that talk of "let go of the anxiety it's all going to go well" foolery. Wirfs, Wills, Becton all gone by 10. Grant "Cheek McCheeks" Delpit, Javon "Tendinitis Knee" Kinlaw, and Andrew "Cheeks A'Hoy Factor" Thomas all in our sights. No Jerry Jeudy or CeeDee Lamb because of foolishness. And now instead it's nigh... 1.) Bengals -- Joe Burrow, QB LSU 2.) Washington -- Chase Young, DE Ohio State 3.) Lions -- Derrick Brown, NT Lions 4.) Giants -- Mekhi Becton, OT Louisville 5.) Dolphins --Tua Tagovailoa, QB Alabama 6.) Chargers -- Jedrick Wills Jr., OT Alabama 7.) Panthers -- Isaiah Simmons, LB Clemson 8.) Cardinals -- Tristan Wirfs, OG Iowa 9.) Jaguars -- Jeffrey Okudah, CB Ohio State 10.) Browns -- OLine Apocalypse

It was your Thread that was the catalyst for my alternative reflections about where the roster truly is in terms of achieving sustainable winning and how far away the Browns might be even if Andrew Berry makes mostly good to great strategic decisions going forward. We're still at the beginning of the climb up the mountain of sustainable competitive winning whereas all of us for various reasons were lured into believing we had made real progress in an ascent. We're still in a much better place then we were a few years ago when we weren't even prepared to climb because we couldn't even tie our shoes. The good news is there's power in coaching that can spark positive cultural change and be the thread that weaves all the parts together to a better whole. These free agency decisions and draft decisions... these off-season preparations, trainings, and development ... these coaching and culture building plans .... it can't be emphasized enough the critical phase that the organization is entering in. Here's to hoping they can make it count.

Madness ...

Man.... if Jordan Love and Justin Herbert go op-9 there'd be no bigger winner than the Browns though I'm still skeptical whether or not they go top 10. As much as I and I'm sure teams love how Jeudy and Lamb went off yesterday, it's going to be hard to turn a WR card in top 10 given the depth of the position group. Anxiety can end??! Not quite. The Top-8 Locks -- Joe Burrow, Chase Young, Tua Tagovailoa, Jeffrey Okudah, Isaiah Simmons, Wills Jr., Derrick Brown, Mekhi Becton Probable Top-9 -- Justin Herbert Unlikely Top-9 Wildcard -- Jordan Love Likely The Browns Options at 10 -- Tristan WIrfs, Andrew Thomas, Javon Kinlaw, CeeDee Lamb, Jerry Jeudy, or Trade Down Unlikely Browns Wildcard -- AJ Epenesa; Josh Jones (not my guy at all but could be Berry and co's) Those top-8 locks are notch above the options we'll likely be able to consider. With Kinlaw already battling chronic tendinitis, that could be a medical flag that impacts his longterm viability. I'd bet on Wirfs' skill as a Guard, but he's not the sure-fire talent I once thought. We wouldn't take Lamb or Jeudy. Andrew Thomas with the high-cheeks factor means that It's Wirfs or Trade Down most likely. The only question is trade down for what player in mind? AJ Epenesa? A combo of Multiple players with 1 (Josh Jones) in the 1st round and another in the 2nd (Cole Kmet)? Until I see that K'lavon Chaisson's name or Grant Delpit's name doesn't flash across the screen on draft day there's no certain relief that all is well.

What?! 17% BF on a 6'7" 364 pound frame is kind of wild. 5.10, 40 yard dash is wild too. His short area quickness and coordination isn't as explosive or twitchy as that high speed 40 yard dash would suggest though. I don't think there's any way Dave "Hog Molly Groupie Extraordinaire" Gettleman is passing up on him at 4. I don't see any way that Becton or Wills go lower than top-8.

Everyone's favorite (except mine) all-buttcheeks "uber-athletic" Tackle Trey Adams with the 5.6 Sun Dial time.

I agree with most of what you've said, and I've made many of the points you've made in the past. I've advocated that it would be madness to trade OBJ when his value is extremely low, as well as have made the point that Jarvis is the heart of the team's winning culture mindset. Any move with OBJ or Jarvis would likely entail moving on from the other. Trading OBJ + Jarvis Landry for in theory Henry Ruggs + Denzel Mims was more of a thought experiment regarding the timeline it may take for the roster to be built to a sustainable winning level and whether or not with Jarvis' contract expiring in two seasons he and/or OBJ would be a part of the longterm roster building timeline. There's value to keeping them, but I think it's more debatable than I'd ever once considered that getting 2 young core pieces in return for their great work/contributions elsewhere might actually be in the best interest of longterm sustained winning and roster-building. As with all things, there's risk but for me it would be something that I'd think about if I were Andrew Berry.

Indeed and of course a team will always have needs. I guess the central question to me is: 1.) "Will the Browns fill those needs (i.e., LT, RT, RG, FS, SS, DE, WLB, MLB, SLB, TE, and DT) in such a way that they'll want to resign Jarvis Landry at age 30 as he heads into his expiring contract year in the next two football seasons? We have this upcoming football season year 2020-2021 and then the year after that 2021-2022. That's it. I just believe the roster-building to fill many of those needs in ways that lead to sustainable winning is going to take longer than 1-2 seasons. Therefore, putting Jarvis (and Odell since they'll be a pair) on a different timeline than the rest of the core part of the team. Thus, ultimately, after resisting such thoughts about trading Jarvis and OBJ, the state of the roster now makes me think it may be in the best long-term interest of the team to trade them sooner rather than later. This is especially the case because of the WR talent in this years draft. Now, with their value being at an apparent all time low it seems unlikely. However, if we could turn OBJ and Jarvis into a Henry Ruggs, Justin Jefferson/Denzel Mims, and mid-round guy even though they'd be far lesser talents such a move may better serve the longterm interest and roster-building timeline of the team imo. Keeping Jarvis and OBJ over the course of the next two years makes sure the team doesn't completely bottom out due to the inexperience of rookie WR starters and stays around the 7-win mark which for a weary and beaten down fan-base has tremendous value. Keeping Jarvis and OBJ also seemingly helps Baker's development over the course of the next 2 years (although it's questionable whether or not he'd really suffer all that much if the Browns could acquire quality impact WRs in the draft in lieu of OBJ and Jarvis' impact on the field).

I agree that OBJ's value is at an all time low. It's all about 2022. It's a big year. There's the upcoming season of 2020. The season after that in 2021 and then 2022 when decisions on Myles Garrett becoming a UFA or not have to be made, Jarvis Landry enters his expiring contract season, Baker Mayfield's 5th year option year where a contract has to get done, Denzel Ward's 5th year option year where a contract has to get done, Nick Chubb's becomes a UFA, and Joel Bitonio's expiring contract year. Trading OBJ and Jarvis soon comes down to two questions: 1.) Will we be able to build the roster to compete for a Super Bowl or Late Round Playoff Push by the time Jarvis Landry's enters his expiring contract year (i.e., 2020, 2021, expiring year 2022)? -- That means we have only 2 more seasons with Jarvis (this year and the year after) before he enters his expiring contract season 2.) Are Jarvis Landry and OBJ going to be in the team's plans beyond 2022? -- I can't see us resigning Jarvis beyond that expiring year given what's likely to be their age, injury history, and contract demands. When Jarvis leaves so does Odell and vice versa. --That means Jarvis and OBJ aren't on the same timeline as the Browns other players like Nick Chubb, Myles, Denzel, Baker, and even Bitonio who the Browns plan to be core pieces for a long time to come. ------------------------------- At the end of the day, I don't think Andrew Berry this offseason and the next is going to be able to put together through the draft and free agency a late playoff push competitive roster. I think we're 3 years away from that type of sustainable winning. Dorsey tried to accelerate the timeline and window, but we're a long way off.. longer than any of us wanted to realize. Trading OBJ and Jarvis brings in players on the same longterm sustained winning timeline as the Browns current Foundational roster pieces. Berry like Dorsey and other GMs is going to hit on some and miss on others. We're not starting rookies at LT, RT, and RG. McCray, Teller, and Prospect X aren't solutions to anything. Let's say Berry bats .500 hitting on 2 of our first 4 picks (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd) with a starter. That would put him on par with his successful peers. Let's say we hit with a Tackle (Jedrick Wills Jr) and a Safety (Xavier Mckinnie). Then we turn to free agency and hit with another Tackle (Halapoulivaati Vaitai) and Safety (Anthony Harris) and Guard (Graham Glasgow). We're still not competing in the playoffs with those additions, and I don't think another offseason gets us to that level quite yet either, but I do think we get there and stay there for a sustainable time 3 years/3 NFL seasons from now. I'd be glad to be wrong, but ultimately I don't think given our major roster holes that Jarvis and OBJ put us over the top within 2 years before Jarvis' deal heads into it's expiring year. Therefore, it would likely be best to trade them both to acquire more longterm roster pieces that can help the team make the sustainable winning leap 3 years from now. The issue is that they are both coming off of injury. Even still if deals should arise it makes sense now in my mind when it didn't before.