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Shurmur is going to be awful for the NY media. No pizzazz, no nonsense, easily gets combative and argues with the media as per his time with the Browns. He's a great QB coach and a good offensive mind. Luckily NYG is familiar with the Coughlin experience which will be similar to Shurmur's affect in pressers and media. He'll do well there if he's learned lessons from past opportunities. It's a good hire. Will Shurmur gel with Josh Rosen?? Will Baker Mayfield be his guy? Will be interesting to see how he sees the QB decision.

Sorry to disrupt yalls future HC discussion. But I'm hoping to get some clarity on a few questions...Browns fan here who never gets a chance to really watch Titans football. I grew up a huge Eddie George, Steve McNair, and Warren Moon's Oilers fan so I've always had nothing but love for you guys.and am hearing we're looking at Mularkey as OC. Curious as to what happened to everyone's opinion of him as last year from the outside looking in the offense Robiskie and Mularkey put together received rave reviews as being an exotic smash mouth that was hard to stop. Common takes were " this is a forward looking offense that is creative and tough." The Offense was ranked 9th in overall offensive efficiency in 2016. From the outside looking in, it also seemed that nfl ppl and you all thought adding a WR1 would help the offense go to the next level. Now, all the takes are "Mularkey and Robiskie don't know what offensive playcalling is...they are the worst ever"........."our offense is in the stone age"...."our offense is not creative at all"..."this offense is hurting Mariota" Can you help an outsider understand why the issues aren't mainly attributable to Mariota's hamstring injury, Demarco Murray's knee/hammy, and/or Corey Davis' injury/inexperience, and the interior OL struggles. I'd love to get your insights specifically on offense (as Mularkey could be the Browns OC) not necessarily him as a HC of the entire team. Thank you.

I'm hoping to get some clarity on a few questions...Browns fan here who never gets a chance to really watch Titans football. I grew up a huge Eddie George, Steve McNair, and Warren Moon's Oilers fan so I've always had nothing but love for you guys.and am hearing we're looking at Mularkey as OC. Curious as to what happened to everyone's opinion of him as last year from the outside looking in the offense Robiskie and Mularkey put together received rave reviews as being an exotic smash mouth that was hard to stop. Common takes were " this is a forward looking offense that is creative and tough." The Offense was ranked 9th in overall offensive efficiency in 2016. From the outside looking in, it also seemed that nfl ppl and you all thought adding a WR1 would help the offense go to the next level. Now, all the takes are "Mularkey and Robiskie don't know what offensive playcalling is...they are the worst ever"........."our offense is in the stone age"...."our offense is not creative at all"..."this offense is hurting Mariota" Can you help an outsider understand why the issues aren't mainly attributable to Mariota's hamstring injury, Demarco Murray's knee/hammy, and/or Corey Davis' injury/inexperience, and the interior OL struggles. I'd love to get your insights specifically on offense (as Mularkey could be the Browns OC) not necessarily him as a HC of the entire team. Thank you.

I'm going full on heel... It hurts to have been so right... Where are the Jae Crowder Truthers...or the people that thought the Nets pick would be top 5.... I tried to tell them it was a terrible trade to get rid of a young superstar for a top 13 maybe pick, Jae Crowder, and 29 year old no defense injury concern Isaiah Thomas. Where are all the people that said I was crazy or biased b/c I loved the Cavs and Kyrie.

GOOD...GOOD...your journey toward the dark side is nearly complete... (You and I know this is all I've ever wanted....lol...) In short, if IT was healthy, you would've heard nothing from me about this trade. If the pick was not the Nets pick but the Hawks' or Bulls pick, I would have very little to say about the value received via trade as well. History says that you're correct about not getting fair value, but history including nba trades is filled with many exceptions...I'm not looking for equal value it's just that I value Kyrie so highly that it takes a lot even to meet below his fair value. I also don't think the Nets pick is likely to net us a franchise player but a player more in line with Dion Waiters and Tristan Thompson (who were both taken Number 4 overall). ATL, Bulls, will be worse (Likely the Magic and Melo-less Knicks as well) and get the cream of the crop talent leaving that pick for a Tristan Thompson type non franchise building talent selected very high in the draft. Bagley, Porter jr. are the cream of the crop...followed by Bamba and Ayton who may be more Waiters and Tristan Thompson or Derrick Williams than anything. But like I said..It's all been about the injury to me and how imo I think it makes the value of the trade not about "fair value" exchange but Boston getting a "generational rim finisher, clutch factor player, and young assassin pg scorer)" My heavens...my word...I'd never...you're a barbarian I tell you... You're trying to tell me I was wrong about calling 4th Round Patriots pick OT Antonio Garcia generational...how dare you sir... if Kyrie is as good as I think he can grow to be (which is the clear best pg in the game and top 8 pg in nba history...all he has to do is learn to make plays for others and put in more defensive effort) than what I'm saying is fair value in exchange isn't even enough... Facts...you could be right...BUT if you're wrong which is the assumption I've been operating under; That is, IT will be out for even longer than expected...then we need more value in return. Of course, my underlying assumption could be completely wrong, but I've been talking about the hip from the beginning in my evaluation of this trade. Absolutely true...defense was said about James Harden as well and to take the next step he improved defensively this year. Kyrie plays great defense in crunch time moments and is a bigger guard in the league..he just has to commit and focus. That's part of being the man and I think he's ready for that challenge. It's not as if he's unable to do it. The "he can't lead without LBJ thing" will come with practice and opportunity and evolution. He's talented enough to make that step...and I think he will. He has the ability and the aptitude...now it's his time. I'd bet on Kyrie's talent, work ethic, and drive...it's all on him and he thrives under that type of pressure. How is the a player with the best handles in a league with pgs with some of the best handles (Chris paul and Steph), best finisher at the rim, clutch in the biggest moment of the game, scores 50 plus over and over again at the point guard position not generational or "transcendent." I mean it's accurate to say he's not Lebron James or shaq generational or transcendent, but he possesses skills that come a long "once in a generation" as noted by other generational talents like HOF Isaiah thomas and John Stockton when they talk about Kyrie's pull up game, handles, rim finishing, and clutch factor. We'll just have to agree to disagree. You assume he will be...you may be absolutely correct...I assume that a 5ft 9...29 year old player may suffer decrements in skill and movement ability post hip surgery...I could be completely wrong...you're right time will tell

Surgery is the game changer in the value assessment of IT, LGB. All surgeries possess uncertainty...I've been assuming surgery from the beginning. Hip surgery is no joke, doesn't guarantee full recovery and healing within the same 8 months span... Of course Altman asked for those things and probably more....oh and here's a nice juicy wall of text Whatever one can negotiate is what's realistic in exchange of perceived values... i don't think we send isaiah back but I would not really factor him into the acquired value of the trade as his injury basically makes him a non-asset (a hip injured speed/quickness skilled player available for maybe half the season that likely won't be full speed this year and needs a max contract at the end of the year) in the trade for which his lost value could be replaced by some combo of assets like Jaylon Brown, Lakers pick, and/or Marcus Smart... In the case of surgery and prolonged absence, we'd be bringing back a player that has never played with our team after half way (or more) through the season, after derrick rose has hopefully started all year, isaiah would want to start due to impending contract year, there could be all kinds of chemistry/friction regarding whether isaiah or derrick starts, isaiah might not be fully healthy or might come back as lesser of a player, there may be risk for reinjury or not having him at all in his final season.....that's not the same asset as a player that helps us compete and possibly convince Bron to come back These are all things you valuate and factor into exchange of perceived value in the asset/value exchange between teams....just like if Kyrie had 1 less year on his contract it would change his asset value... We have 1st round pick of our own and soon to be castoff players that we can add if necessary... I'm under the delusion that Kyrie Irving is a young superstar who hit the biggest shot in finals history at 23/24 years old, shoots 40% from 3, has the best handles in the game, is one of the best under the rim finishers of all time (said by HOF Isaiah Thomas, Kenny Smith, and Oscar Robertson), and is still growing as a player (although everyone thinks he is unique in the history of great nba players where for some reason at 25 he is done evolving/growing/improving as a player).... ...AND that Jae Crowder, the nets pick, and a soon to be out of the league slowfooted/uncoordinated Ante Zizic is not enough trade value in return. I'm not saying necessarily that Isaiah thomas goes back to Boston but he does becomes a different asset if for example his hip surgery is not just to fix a labrul tear that requires about 4 months to come back from but something with even more uncertainty regarding the healing process. It could be something more and require a 5 month time table according to one of the doctors that initially told Isaiah he needed surgery before.

need more than that...IT's value was in helping us compete and get Lebron to sign back (Even if the Cavs don't even believe Bron is coming back). Hip surgery leads to prolonged absence and he'd be coming back lesser and without experience on a championship challenging team. The Lakers are going to be around the 8 or 9th worst team in the league as they signed KCP and still 20pts and 8 rebs Brooke Lopez to add to an ascending roster. If the pick doesn't fall in the 2-5 range the pick turns to the highest pick between the Kings and 76ers in 2019. The 76ers could be soaring at that point meaning the pick is top 14; the kings have De'aaron Fox in the backcourt with george hill along with an ascending buddy hield, skol Labbisierre...that pick will be top 12 at best in 2019... So, a top 14 pick in 2019 does not make up for IT being out...it could be argued that a top 3 pick could but the Lakers just won't be that bad unless the ping pong balls fall favorably...either way that extra pick doesn't help with competing this year and keeping Lebron potentially. If IT is hurt, I think adding Jaylon Brown, Marcus Smart, and the Lakers/kings/76ers pick approximates the lost value. Brown average 6pts last year but showed promise...Smart gives us a defending pg with toughness but no 3pt ability at all at all. I still don't like it....to make it right I need Jayson Tatum and Marcus Smart...So, Kyrie Irving for Jayson Tatum, Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart, and the Nets pick. They can keep Ante...he's garbage..watch his summer league highlights; he is not long for the league; he's a sloth...Edy Tavares currently on the roster is a better young Center prospect. I'd even throw in the Channing Frye's expiring contract or another cavs asset.... Kyrie Irving for Jayson Tatum, Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart, and the Nets pick OR Kyrie Irving for Jaylon Brown, Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart, the Nets pick, and the Lakers/kings/76ers pick

I called the injury issue and how "flashing forward to the next few days" would mean people would start paying attention to other relevant factors in the trade, re-evaluate the trade, and ultimately figure out that we didn't get enough.... Lol...what a difference a day makes... Should be fun to hear people come to their senses....or the many that will double down and rationalize based on the nets pick. These are the same people that don't realize how improved the nets roster is, how they might be the 5th or 6th worst not the 1st or 2nd...and how that roster will not stink as much as the nontalent no name dumpster fires of the atlanta hawks and bulls which means no Porter Jr. or Bagley which means the pick is meaningless (Mohamed Bamba's a project and Ayton is big man with bad knees already) .....Only much much later will they realize that no all star // top franchise building players are available as they're either locked into a team or the few of them are unlikely to get traded (Kristaps? No...Paul George? No...Anthony Davis? Hell no). The one that may be available for that pick is Demarcus cousins and the cavs FO won't trade the pick for him unless Lebron commits long term which he wont

Injury concern is Facts...hopefully he slides and avoids contact so we can get a good evaluation on him

I don't think Kizer is ready... Things to remember: Derek Carr lost his first 10 games and was 0-10 despite showing flashes... I don't think we lose like that raiders team, but if it gets bad we have to stay the course just like the raiders did that year...Hue can't revert back to Brock or Cody just to win....he has to stay the course.... Also, it puts us in the position if Kizer and the team stinks it up that we are a better position draft wise to select the future franchise QB. So, in the end, it's probably the right move....but I hope Hue has the patience to see it through

You could be right about my use of Transcendent....I do think his skillset with length and the ability to score at his size off the dribble is rare and special..but that's just my opinion

Whether you read my wall of texts or not.....I have facts and reality on my side and I don't live in a nonreality, nonfact based la la land like you where NBA owners, oil tycoons and real estate loan hustlers are friends of the common man....that they are kind hearted men that deserve our adoration and praise for blessing us with sports entertainment...the la la land where journalism and sourced reporting doesn't matter because who has time to read anything when the gut tells me all I need to know about things... You fail to grasp/process basic realities and facts that have nothing to do with my speculation or "my own constructing of a narrative" regarding the cavaliers as well as basic aspect of our world and economy. You always like to accuse everyone else, but maybe it is you that has no idea what you're talking about. Just because you don't know what is going on doesn't mean others' narratives are constructed out of thin air. Some of us read and try to decide if a report is likely to be true (i.e., well sourced, detailed, etc) or trash. I guess it's easier for you to use your lack of knowledge to construct your gut based narratives. These are the facts regarding the cavaliers: It's facts not speculation. For the cavaliers, the assistant coaches contracts post championship not being re-uped until the first game of the following season thereby forcing them to work an entire summer without a contract (a rarity in the league) reached the point of "hostility" https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-cavs-coaching-staff-frustrated-by-their-own-contract-situations/ http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2016/07/because_of_delay_in_tyronn_lue_extension.html ---This was reported by multiple reporters with different outlets and one specified that "Phil Handy considering leaving the cavaliers but was convinced otherwise by Tyrone Lue...." Tyrone Lue spoke about how crazy the situation was to have coaches working without contracts and how he hoped for the best during a radio interview. David Griffin along with the co-owner partner appalled at how the process played out. ---The players and Ty Lue spoke about how it left a sour taste in their mouth with management after experiencing the high of the Championship including Kyrie and Richard Jefferson on a podcast before the podcast road trippin became official ---Kyrie credits phil handy for his development and it has been reported many times how close they are, kyrie referred to him as a "father-like figure" before. http://www.slamonline.com/nba/qa-cavaliers-assistant-coach-phil-handy/ --David Griffin was seeking presidential control of roster, salaries, and all basketball related hiring and firing decisions like "Pat Riley" " promotions to roles like “general manager” and “president of basketball operations” as reported by tons of outlets something that Dan Gilbert controlled and argued with his co-owners about in a dust up that led to him consolidating all power http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2017/02/shake_up_in_cavs_owner_dan_gil.html --Widely reported how Dan Gilbert would meddle in trades and undue the good work of Griffin and staff Kyrie lost faith in Dan Gilbert's ability to lead this team to winning after firing Griffin, creating discord with the coaches. and phasing out the influence of other owners that knowingly desired to turn the basketball operation over to a person with president role. That's why Kyrie desired to be traded to organizations with self-governing basketball operations outside of the meddling of ownership....Gilbert wouldn't let go of his power...these are what is called facts ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These are the facts on the mortgage shark and loan industry and aspects of our world you are obviously oblivious about: To your first point about "I guess every business that turns a profit should be ashamed..." blah blah...I didn't say every business. However, it is common knowledge our current human experience that we pay for things and participate in things that are scams and/or profit schemes put in place often before we were born to capitalize on the masses of hard working people. Known industries that fall into that category are the for profit health insurance industry and mortage/loan industry. Beyond expert analysis of those industries, even those on the inside of these industries don't refute the hard realities and truths of exploitation of the masses of working people. When you go to the hospital and get a bill in the mail that says the bandage they gave you costs $700 and the labor to apply it to your foot costs $300 dollars those costs are decided arbitrarily by private companies. They then based on the policy charge you some arbitrary percentage of the arbitrary cost. When a person signs up for insurance, we all know for the most part that there are inflated costs set by collusion of those trying to make profit; that there is massive waste, fraud and abuse; that insurers are turning a profit off of the misery of the ill; that our premium hikes are often cash grabs unrelated to the quality of care, that the insurers provide no health care but are an intermediary that promises to do the book keeping, paperwork, and bureacracy for actual health providers. However, we all still get health insurance and "know what we signed up for." Such is the case in the mortgage/loan industry especially if one sought a mortgage or had to refinance post recession. That is, we "know we're signing up for insane rates" at times or signing up for an exploitative thing. The industry in the 20s and 30s was called the "Robber Baron Loan & Prospector industry." The rates that we pay are arbitrary and often set by private interests looking to make money on the prediction of fluctuation in interest rates (See info on the Libor Scandal and housing crash; https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/understanding-libor-scandal) ---Some people like Dan Gilbert cash in on that misery with smiles on their faces and whose companies do all kinds of shady stuff to veterans and families or the elderly struggling to make ends meet and to maintain their one asset: their house. ---Some people like to live in la la land and get all defensive as soon as someone mentions that the mortgage industry or health insurance industry and those who profit for them are....WAIT FOR IT....GASP....shrewd business people looking to make a profit on the backs of hardworking people....Look up Rock Financial and what Dan Gilbert and his business dealings did to small business owners and community developers in Detroit...it wasn't noble...Now he owns taxpayer funded and subsidized casinos, has a taxpayer subsidized cash cow sports venue, owns a major portion of to be developed real estate in cleveland with mostly blood money....and you want to build a statue to the honor the guy because he signed his name to a check once....

he will be...Lonzo Ball, Fultz, and Tatum all have a chance to be. There a few natural scorers with the length that Jayson has at the 3 positions...he can truly score at will...did you see him in the summer league...the talent is there...point is Jayson Tatuma and the nets pick was a necessary return that the cavs didnt pull off

good analysis...nets definitely not guaranteed top pick... two elite players next year...if they have the number 3 pick...this trade is bad bad

Basic Box Score Stats Starters MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS +/- LeBron James 42:38 16 30 .533 4 8 .500 5 8 .625 4 12 16 7 3 3 2 1 41 +13 Tristan Thompson 41:32 1 3 .333 0 0 4 10 .400 3 12 15 0 1 2 0 1 6 +11 Kyrie Irving 39:47 17 24 .708 5 7 .714 2 2 1.000 0 3 3 6 2 1 4 4 41 +20 Kevin Love 32:53 1 5 .200 0 3 .000 0 0 0 3 3 1 0 1 2 4 2 +18 J.R. Smith 30:43 3 9 .333 1 2 .500 3 3 1.000 1 1 2 1 1 0 1 5 10 +11 Not elite He's scored 56 or more in a game...in the finals like game 5 he had 41 and 6 on 17 of 24 shooting...I wonder what elite is...

26 is his peak...based on what precedent...elite players dont hit their peak until 30 and 31 and some have sustained greatness after that...

The better option was to not lowball your championship coaches after they won a title to the point that the whole team questioned the owners committment...the coaches didn't sing their contracts until the day of the season. Kyrie's mentor coach Phil started to doubt Gilbert and so did the rest of the team...this was reported by many. Then you fire David Griffin...the option was not to make such terrible decisions so you don't get in a situation where Kyrie wants a trade. The whole "Kyrie doesn't want to play with lebron" is a Dan Gilbert media fabrication. Kyrie doesn't want to play for an organization led by dan gilbert who lowballed his mentor and friend, fired the person that was supposed to be the next pat riley figure head....there's no stability and no confidence that the execs could help kyrie win in a sustainable way in the future... No...you're hilarious. And you willingly eat up whatever thoughts you're fed...if you think Dan Gilbert deserves praise you're not paying attention to what's relevant imo....What choice did Lebron give Gilbert when he returned...any NBA owner would've done the exact same thing if Lebron came back...the kevin love thing was done by griffin and bron.. It doesn't matter if some billionaire spent pennies out of his pocket versus another owner spending quarters... Dan Gilbert is worth over $6 billion dollars running a business that mostly took advantage of everyday working people being pushed underwater with their mortgages during repeated economic recessions and took advantage of desperate families in detroit for years before he made his way to cleveland.... NBA arenas are subsidized by the taxpayers such that in the end these billionaires have a building that generates tons of revenue for sometimes literally nothing: http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2016/12/is_quicken_loans_arena_overhau_1.html What they give back to the people is entertainment which is a nice opiate for which they have to pay money for...the people don't get back any money for what their taxpayers provide. The informed call that welfare for billionaires where what they put in pales in comparison to what they get back...the opposite is true for the tax payer 1 billion dollars is 1,000 millions. So, dan gilbert has roughly 6,000 millions of dollars. We don't know how much is liquid or tied up assets, but we know that he owns outright over 7 houses, 2 of which are overseas, 2 private planes, more cars than the days of the week, and that's just public record. Let's look at the luxury tax and roster payout for the cavs: The Cavaliers had a massive $121 million payroll in 2016-17 and face a $45 million luxury tax. That's 166 million dollars. If we ask ourselves, what percentage of 6,000 million dollars or (6 billion dollars) is what he spent on the Cavs payroll. That's roughly 2.7 percent of his estimated net wealth. That doesn't factor in off shore wealth, new unreported casino holdings, his power in economic decision making and/or influence over an entire city market. If a person makes $30,000 a year 2.7% of that is $810 If a person makes $60,000 a year 2.7% of that is $1,620 So, we should commend Dan Gilbert for what? Would we be praising a person that has $30,000 but owns over 7 houses, 2 of which are overseas, 2 private planes, more cars than the days of the week, etc if that person gave up $810 dollars to keep one of the greatest players in nba history in cleveland and on a championship caliber team? Dan Gilbert doesn't pay ish..he doesn't do ish but get in the way of trades and mess stuff up...in fact the revenues alone pay for whatever he would've paid in luxury tax or for David Griffin....it's literally quarters in his pocket...in fact his ownership affords him power and influence that cannot be quantified by dollars and cents...We haven't even factored in all his other yearly revenue... He's the one that drove Lebron out in the first place...Lebron is the one along with David Griffin that put together the team that won the championship... Just b/c Dan Gilbert signs his name on a check for what amounts to nothing to him...doesn't mean he did anything at all...in fact he was the reason Lebron left the first time and his incompetence at letting a true basketball exec run the team like all the great franchises is causing Lebron to leave again. Lebron wants sustainable winning...Kolby Altman is unproven; David Griffin could've have taken the helm at such a Pat Riley type position and worked with Lebron so he would basically retire herer...

Yeah...I agree with the trade for a stud idea Kyrie's injury history is irrelevant b/c we're talking about today at the time of the trade....At the time of the trade, IT has a hip injury that hasnt healed since the Eastern Conference finals. He still may need surgery if the check up scheduled in September doesn't look good. Hip surgery means he would be out the entire year. It;s about who is healhty now..Kyrie is not injured now...and his injuries were the type that would heal...hip injuries often linger........IT may miss half the season or come back sub par before then, or miss the entire season. I love IT as a player...but if he's not on the court or comes back sub par...how does that help us win?

if they trade that pick for melo or anything...I will personally start a revolt against the cavs that would be nuts... now Melo and Kristaps Porzingus then I'm fine but you don't trade a potential top 2 pick for a player in the last 2 years of productivity like Melo... I'd trade that pick for Paul George, Demarcus Cousins, Anthony Davis, Porzingus...those are the elite players that would be worth it...Bucks will never move Giannis...... I'd even trade the pick for Ben Simmons and Jahlil Okafor and a pick...I believe Simmons is a 1000 times better than Michael Porter Jr who I've seen up close play a lot in AAU... We have to flip this pick for a player or players that cause Bron to resign.... If that happens, we won the trade...

it's only a big deal if in an upcoming Melo,Wade, Bosh, Bron draft or a Kevin Durant draft, or Tatum, Lonzo, Fultz draft... Doesn't mean anything in this upcoming draft....that's how the nba is

It's an awful, awful trade...Kyrie Irving is a transcendent talent...we neither got transcendent talent back immediately or the ability to get a transcendent talent in the future imo as that draft pick will not be worth a lot when people realize how non transcendent Michael Porter Jr. and Marvin Bagley are... How do we not get either Jaylen Brown or Jayson Tatum in this deal...Danny Ainge got us good...and will have the top team in the east after Bron leaves... Thank you Dan Gilbert for firing David Griffin a year after he won the title and for not giving kyrie's closest mentor Phil Hamby and the other assistant coaches new contracts immediately after they won the title and instead penny pinching and waiting until the day of the season to reup CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING ASSISTANT COACHES to their new contracts. My cousin is friends with Kyrie's old girlfriend and said kyrie and all the players including Ty lue were pissed about Dan Gilbert snubbing the coaches like that...that's where it all started....David Griffin made a fuss and wanted to be president of BBall operations so in the future he would have the power to sign his championship coaches to new contracts right away in order to keep the positive vibes and momentum in the building going...a year later David Griffin was canned....kyrie irving traded...and Dan Gilbert wants us to think all is well b/c they got a shiny draft pick and a 29 point guard... No one follows the nba closely or they would know that IT has a terrible hip injury that just yesterday Ainge and Stevens said was taking longer than expected to rehab. The hip is a major fulcrum for power, speed, and quickness which is the whole game for a 5ft 9 point guard. With IT's injury, we did not get enough. If he sits out a major portion of the year due to surgery this deal makes no sense at all....When people come to realize this, they will understand that we got fleeced. The best player and the youngest player in this deal is leaving our team. A player 5 years older, less talented, smaller, needed a max contract in the future, with a hip injury that is central to his skill is coming to us with the prospective top 5 pick as the nets are predicted to be better than the Bulls, Hawks, and Magic. Only the top 2 picks get the franchise players in Porter Jr. and Bagley. Kyrie Irving is the top finisher in the entire league at the rim. This has been said by numerous hall of famers and nba experts. He's 25 years old. Has the best handles in the league according to most. Is a 40% 3pt shooter as of recent and is big time in the clutch hitting the biggest shot in finals history with a high degree of difficulty. There is not a player to ever be in the nba like that to hit the trade market.... What we get in return is a 28 yr old soon to be 29 pg with less size, less ability to create on his own, a worse defender than kyrie, a substantially worse 3pt shooter, and a player that has to get next years max which will be at least 12 mil/yr above Kyrie's current max contract thereby pushing our cap number even higher. We get a trash throw-away center who won't be in the league long Jae Crowder who everyone is talking about his defense but forget in the playoffs this year the guy couldn't hit an open shot and celtics fans and broadcasters said had the "playoff yips" a guy not mentally tough in the playoffs that will threaten an opposing defense And lastly a potential top 2 pick which is said to be Michael Porter Jr. or Marvin Bagley both of which are not franchise players as Porter Jr. is more Danillo Gallinari than Kevin Durant and Bagley has no offensive game and is more like an Andre Drummond...the top pick next year won't be close to Tatum, Fultz, or Lonzo... If Jayson Tatum was in the deal, I could live with what the cavs got back because you get a special transcendent player... As the trade is constituted, we got no transcendent talents...and Michael Porter Jr or Marvin Bagley are not it...they are decent players....if next year was a kevin durant type draft or a draft like this year maybe I'd be upset but eventually accept the deal... Saying that we won or we got a haul is madness in my mind... Flash forward to tomorrow when all these cavs fans realize Isaiah thomas my not start the year and may come back a step slow at 5ft 9 next year...lol...then their opinions will change...

How dare you accuse mcdonalds of trying to feed billions of people pig anus and chemically laced pink slime passed off as tasty and affordable beef. × I'm sure that lobster was made of pure free range organic chemically laced pig anus. Didn't you hear...all the companies stopped selling bad pink slime a few years ago...it was on the television. They said they had no idea what they were doing before and they are so so sorry. Now, they promised and pinky sweared that all they sell is wholesome fresh 100% gluten-free meat.

How dare you, thomas.....how dare you....lol. I remember seeing that like...drew rosenhaus and his team are really smart. What will we see this year? I hear JG going to be doing some David Blaine "man on a pole" or man in a box type stuff downtown...it should be fantastic Did anyone see that terrible cleveland.com article about JG's art....Seriously one of the dumbest non quality long articles ever...and that's coming from a person that knows a lot about that ish. On a more serious note though: He is a very talented artist for real. I saw a few of his more recent works and there's a lot of pain in JG. It's sad he hasn't found a way to channel it besides "no no lettuce" and alcohol. He uses his art to escape a lot of dark thoughts...he experienced some rough stuff coming up....man I wish the nfl allowed the "no no lettuce." If the world's around in 5 years im willing to bet that is a major concession the nfl gives players once the whole knowledge of brain trauma thing spreads like wild fire over the next few years. By that time, the lettuce will be thought of as an acceptable pain reliever for brain trauma and its related psychological and physical effects.