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"vindicates Joe as a person" Did he travel back in time and un-punch that woman he KO'ed on camera at a late night food place in college??

Why bring in a guy that is high talent/low effort & clearly fishing for a final payday as the talent that partially offset his lackadaisical approach continues to fade away? Even worse, we know this for a fact because he was in our building for his most talented years. Why bring that guy into a young defense that needs leaders guiding them to excellence? Hard pass. Let someone else give Clownshoe his final freebie before he coasts into retirement.

Don't take my stance as a big stand against the bold move for WAJ. I'm just pushing a level of expectation. You can't get taken at 1.3, which was acquired with a lop-sided trade, and become Whitney Mercilus. Not even Jadeveon Clownshoe. We need him to be a Demarcus Ware, Von Miller, JJ Watt, Khalil Mack kind of player. A guy who really sets a standard on defense. Honestly, the same goes for Stroud. If he becomes a top 10 (maybe top 12) starter, it's a win. Anything less is getting dicey. We need him to be an above average starting QB when extension time rolls around, so we're confident in paying him big and building around him long-term. I hope they both make us completely forget about "draft capital" because they end up being top of the league guys.

No complaints. Stroud had a very nice career at OSU and played some of his best games in his biggest games. I can envision him performing similar to Deshaun during his good seasons, if he develops the way the team hopes.

Like the player, don't like what we gave up. Every pass rusher except WAJ and Tyree Wilson was available at 12. We just invested the equivalent of 3 1sts in WAJ. Anything short of perennial Pro Bowler isn't going to justify that kind of investment, especially on a team with a mediocre talent level overall. Be amazing, Will. Be amazing.

RE: Lamar potentially sitting out a year because "it worked for Watson" Deshaun almost certainly screwed Lamar on this front too, because Watson looked BAD coming off a 1.5 year layoff for Cleveland. Brissett was arguably better than Watson last year. While I think Watson will bounce back and perform closer to his old level, it's another strike against Lamar's leverage. Leveon Bell is the only other data point I can recall, and he flopped hard for the Jets. Everything about the Watson deal is a cautionary tale that teams definitely payed attention to. RE: Marketing deals Take it with a grain of salt, but the local morning sports talk show had a recent segment about how dumbfounded companies are when they try to work with Lamar. As you guys said, he has name recognition, is a former MVP, and he's not a cookie cutter guy, so there's plenty of interest. Yet when companies approach him, apparently his mom swoops in and starts making highly emotional, non-sensical demands, and the company just throws its hands up and walks away. For athleticwear, since he won't sign with a company and get paid millions to wear their clothes, Nike and such just send him free clothes and he gives them free advertising by wearing them. So basically, he forgoes the millions of dollars available to him to take the perk he'd get for free with his big bucks contract. It's absolutely mind boggling. I'm not sure if it's a sad situation where the people closest to him are unintentionally but very actively sabotaging him, or if he just can't grasp how the business side works. I lean towards the former, with a touch of the latter mixed in. I think he could get millions in marketing deals and get a contract better than Wilson or Murray with a guarantee that's at the generational wealth level if he had competent help. And I think he has earned those things as well. But instead he has his helicopter mom driving away money to make herself feel superior and the NFLPA lying to him in a hail mary attempt to reset the market.

Popping in this thread to see how my fellow Texans fans view Howard's trade value:

According to a Fox affiliate, a second Texas grand jury in a different county is now considering a Watson charge: https://fox8.com/news/i-team-another-grand-jury-considering-case-against-deshaun-watson/ IIRC, the trade has already been finalized with the NFL. Ouch. No refunds!

Texans remembering the big picture or just reverting to mean? Glass half full or empty, your call.

Stuffing our own punt. Just Texans things.

Jones does his best to make me look dumb by leading out the half with a pick. 😆

Mills just looks so lost, he's just drowning out there. 3rd down, play isn't there. Leaves pocket, takes the sack instead of throwing it away, pushing the FG back. Next drive just before half, Mac Jones gets the same situation and does it right. Two rookies heading in different directions. Don't let a few good plays fool you.

Davis Mills stat line from ESPN: C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG Davis Mills 11/21 87 4.1 0 4 3-26 0.8 23.4 0.8 QBR, is that a record low?? Wow. Anyway, I lost interest somewhere in the second half and wandered off to do something less depressing.

There's now 3 lawsuits, all relating to intimidation of massage therapists to perform "other acts". In fairness, they are only allegations at this point. But very troubling allegations. I figured the DW4 situation had already hit rock bottom. Somehow, it found a way to get worse.

That's insanity. Russell Wilson is a very good QB, and he is 7 years older than Deshaun. So much more wear on the treads, and IMO DW4 is more talented to begin with. Only a Seattle fan would make that trade. I guess they could make the deal work with day 2 picks (2nds and 3rds), but several should be involved in that case. Just my opinion. This would be Caserio's 1st notable move if it happens. He better set the tone that we have an adult in the FO now, or we'll be right back to being a value piggy bank for the rest of the NFL to rob. Of course, I suppose Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber could overrule him. If that happens and I'm Caserio, I'd resign on the spot.