2018 NBA Finals: The Warriors vs LeBron Pt. 4

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11 hours ago, Mossburg said:

That's a good one.

However, I could just play Dark Souls or Donkey Kong...

Two words. Lovely Kev. 

[dtait93]

1 hour ago, jrry32 said:

Love will probably suffer some sort of "injury" to avoid the embarrassment of getting destroyed every time GS has the ball.

This is selling the Cavs short. Hill was very good in Utah last year. Hood was a solid player for Utah. Korver is quite good at his role. Love is an All Star. Nance Jr. is a solid role player. Green and Clarkson aren't that good. Thompson is limited, but he's also good at what he does. Cleveland's biggest issue is that they don't have a coach who can elevate talent. Give Quin Snyder, Pop, and Brad Stevens those guys, they'd make them look quite useful.

Not at all. Hill is solid, but he isn't playing as well as he, "was" in Utah. I agree that Hood is solid, he should be getting more pt, but at the same time, you can't do what he did and expect to be trusted by your teammates and coaches again hence the benching. Korver is good in his role, but like I said, can't play defense. Love is an All-Star...an overrated All-Star....who also can't defend. I disagree about Nance (below average imo) and Green (average imo), and we agree on Thompson and Clarkson.

That's 1 overrated All-Star who wasn't even needed to win games 6 and 7 of the ECF (who was replaced by the same player you deem isn't even good and Cleveland didn't skip a beat) 5 average role players, and the rest are ****ters. Bad roster is bad.

[jrry32]

10 minutes ago, dtait93 said:

Not at all. Hill is solid, but he isn't playing as well as he, "was" in Utah. I agree that Hood is solid, he should be getting more pt, but at the same time, you can't do what he did and expect to be trusted by your teammates and coaches again hence the benching. Korver is good in his role, but like I said, can't play defense. Love is an All-Star...an overrated All-Star....who also can't defend. I disagree about Nance (below average imo) and Green (average imo), and we agree on Thompson and Clarkson.

That's 1 overrated All-Star who wasn't even needed to win games 6 and 7 of the ECF (who was replaced by the same player you deem isn't even good and Cleveland didn't skip a beat) 5 average role players, and the rest are ****ters. Bad roster is bad.

Hill isn't playing as well as he was because Quin Snyder is a great coach and Coach LeBron is not. They have an All Star (who is more underrated than overrated at this point), a quality PG, a solid wing, and some guys who do well in defined roles. This isn't a trash team. They look worse than they are because Coach LeBron and Assistant Coach Lue run a system that doesn't maximize skill-sets outside of LeBron's.

[J-ALL-DAY]

This Cavs team without LeBron would be dog ish bad. One, they wouldn't be able to overcome any injury to their starter, and they would have no shot creator. Hill is solid, but that's all he is. JR? L-OL....Love can't stay healthy, but if he does, then he's fine. They would need a great motion offense to get Korver consistent looks. Hood I think with less pressure would look better and how he did in Utah. He's a good regular season player, but in the playoffs his play severely drops. Looked terrible last year and following suit this postseason. Nance is a nice high energy player and TT would be in and out of the rotation. The team just doesn't have enough perimeter defenders and shot creators to be better than a high 20 win squad. 

[dtait93]

54 minutes ago, jrry32 said:

Hill isn't playing as well as he was because Quin Snyder is a great coach and Coach LeBron is not. They have an All Star (who is more underrated than overrated at this point), a quality PG, a solid wing, and some guys who do well in defined roles. This isn't a trash team. They look worse than they are because Coach LeBron and Assistant Coach Lue run a system that doesn't maximize skill-sets outside of LeBron's.

Yes it is. Why do you think their lead disappears every single time Lebron steps off the court? Who’s skill sets aren’t being maximized under the system?

[jrry32]

9 minutes ago, dtait93 said:

Yes it is. Why do you think their lead disappears every single time Lebron steps off the court? Who’s skill sets aren’t being maximized under the system?

Because they have no offensive system without LeBron. It's all coaching. Who's skill-sets aren't being maximized? Who's skill-sets are being maximized other than LeBron's? Maybe Korver's?

1 hour ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

This Cavs team without LeBron would be dog ish bad. One, they wouldn't be able to overcome any injury to their starter, and they would have no shot creator. Hill is solid, but that's all he is. JR? L-OL....Love can't stay healthy, but if he does, then he's fine. They would need a great motion offense to get Korver consistent looks. Hood I think with less pressure would look better and how he did in Utah. He's a good regular season player, but in the playoffs his play severely drops. Looked terrible last year and following suit this postseason. Nance is a nice high energy player and TT would be in and out of the rotation. The team just doesn't have enough perimeter defenders and shot creators to be better than a high 20 win squad. 

A great coach like Pop could get that squad to 40+ wins if Love stayed relatively healthy.

[dtait93]

4 minutes ago, jrry32 said:

Because they have no offensive system without LeBron. It's all coaching. Who's skill-sets aren't being maximized? Who's skill-sets are being maximized other than LeBron's? Maybe Korver's?

Literally every single player on the roster is playing to their potential except for maybe Hill because he is over deferring to Lebron, and JR because he isn’t hitting his random crazy contested 3’s.

[J-ALL-DAY]

22 minutes ago, jrry32 said:

Because they have no offensive system without LeBron. It's all coaching. Who's skill-sets aren't being maximized? Who's skill-sets are being maximized other than LeBron's? Maybe Korver's?

A great coach like Pop could get that squad to 40+ wins if Love stayed relatively healthy.

Well, Pop with mediocre talent this year got the Spurs to 47 wins. But I doubt he gets the Cavs to 40 wins. Just not enough. At least in SA he has some damn good defenders. Now, he may be able to get something out of guys like Osman, but the team is too limited. It is unrealistic to expect everyone to stay healthy. Definitely one of the worst teams in the league.

[jrry32]

20 minutes ago, dtait93 said:

Literally every single player on the roster is playing to their potential except for maybe Hill because he is over deferring to Lebron, and JR because he isn’t hitting his random crazy contested 3’s.

LOL. Just lol. Hood and Hill played far better in Utah. Love played far better in Minnesota.

7 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

Well, Pop with mediocre talent this year got the Spurs to 47 wins. But I doubt he gets the Cavs to 40 wins. Just not enough. At least in SA he has some damn good defenders. Now, he may be able to get something out of guys like Osman, but the team is too limited. It is unrealistic to expect everyone to stay healthy. Definitely one of the worst teams in the league.

Pop's SA team without Kawhi had the same level of talent as the Cavs without LeBron. Pop got them to play great defense because the guy can freaking coach. It's not a shocker that Snyder got much more out of guys like Hood and Hill than the Cavs have.

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Pop also just flat out had better defenders. Murray/Green are MUCH better defenders than anyone on the Cavs. And Love who is injury prone as hell now, wouldn't be able to hold up like Aldridge did. No need to overthink it, this is a bad bad team. May not be the worst in the league, but it isn't winning 30 games. 

[jrry32]

Just now, J-ALL-DAY said:

Pop also just flat out had better defenders. Murray/Green are MUCH better defenders than anyone on the Cavs. And Love who is injury prone as hell now, wouldn't be able to hold up like Aldridge did. No need to overthink it, this is a bad bad team. May not be the worst in the league, but it isn't winning 30 games. 

Bro, George Hill was a very good defender in Utah last year and started out his career playing quite well for Pop in SA. All it takes is looking at what guys like Pop, Brad Stevens, Quin Snyder, Kerr, etc. get out of players who were nobodies to recognize that they elevate players' games. Pop gets 40+ wins from that team if they don't get bit hard by the injury bug.

[J-ALL-DAY]

George Hill isn't a very good defender anymore. Wasn't a good defender in Sacramento and while better in spots in Cleveland, isn't what he once was. Plays solid defense in spots but that's it. And when you keep saying doesn't get bit hard by the injury bug, it wouldn't even have to be hard. Injuries happen to every team, and you cannot expect this team to be the exception. Love has missed 20+ games the last two years and is missing some playoff games with a concussion. Safe to say he would get hurt. The team just isn't good. No shot creator from the perimeter and a bunch of suspect defenders. 

And with Love losing so much weight from his Minny days, he's not a guy you could just give it to the post like you can Aldridge. Good luck relying on guys like Jeff Green to give you something every night. 

[jrry32]

21 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

George Hill isn't a very good defender anymore. Wasn't a good defender in Sacramento and while better in spots in Cleveland, isn't what he once was. Plays solid defense in spots but that's it. And when you keep saying doesn't get bit hard by the injury bug, it wouldn't even have to be hard. Injuries happen to every team, and you cannot expect this team to be the exception. Love has missed 20+ games the last two years and is missing some playoff games with a concussion. Safe to say he would get hurt. The team just isn't good. No shot creator from the perimeter and a bunch of suspect defenders. 

And with Love losing so much weight from his Minny days, he's not a guy you could just give it to the post like you can Aldridge. Good luck relying on guys like Jeff Green to give you something every night. 

Odd how George Hill went from a very good defender last year with Snyder to no longer that this year. That's a quick decline. In this hypothetical world, why would Love not work to be more like the player he was? You keep pretending that without LeBron, there are no changes.

[J-ALL-DAY]

What changes? Sure the stats of some of the guys goes up with more opportunities, but you are kidding yourself if you think this team will all of a sudden turn into a top 5 defensive unit. 

Love is not the same post player he was in Minny. That is with or without LeBron. Dude just lost too much weight. Are you saying he goes back and puts on 15 or so pounds so is able to bang like he used to? 

As for Hill, his defense even last year wasn't up to par in his Indiana days. And of course he is going to be a better defender with the best rim protector in the league in Gobert compared to what he had in Sacramento/Cleveland. 

Lakers who have more talent won 35 games, but this team is winning 40? Hell to the no. 

[jrry32]

8 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

What changes? Sure the stats of some of the guys goes up with more opportunities, but you are kidding yourself if you think this team will all of a sudden turn into a top 5 defensive unit. 

Love is not the same post player he was in Minny. That is with or without LeBron. Dude just lost too much weight. Are you saying he goes back and puts on 15 or so pounds so is able to bang like he used to? 

As for Hill, his defense even last year wasn't up to par in his Indiana days. And of course he is going to be a better defender with the best rim protector in the league in Gobert compared to what he had in Sacramento/Cleveland. 

Lakers who have more talent won 35 games, but this team is winning 40? Hell to the no. 

Why would Love not change his body in a post-LeBron world? As for Hill, the Jazz's defensive rating with him on the court was 101.0 vs. 103.6 with him off of it, so it's a bit difficult to give all the credit to Gobert. The dude is still a good defender. Coaching goes a long way.

The team doesn't need to be a top 5 defensive unit. Pop could get them to a competent defensive and offensive unit. The guy is a freaking miracle worker.