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I skip a few obvious RPO plays to adams which gain 6 or 7.

Overall post with all gifs on one is here:

https://skibrett15.imgur.com/a/FxhrQHH

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1-10 to Graham, boot action easy nice design.

https://imgur.com/7szYfxu

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1-10 Shot to Davante.  At first I was frustrated this is underthrown, but you look at what he did by faking to graham (who is open) and this is a really nice subtle route on the pump by Adams to create the separation.  Rodgers lays it out there fine.  Good overall QB play despite a perfect throw being a TD.

https://imgur.com/O9AedDb

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3-3. Scrambles right, everyone is covered, nowhere to go with the ball.  Maaaybe you toss one up to MVS here.  Scrambling and hoping graham uncovers is the right call, especially since the protection broke down.

https://imgur.com/Jt97oJN

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2-11 Kendricks flat slants.  Graham is also open here.  Flat/slants comes through again -- 55 hesitates to cover a throw to adams.

https://imgur.com/ltk7UAT

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3-3 scramble.  Nothing there, good choice to pick it up.

https://imgur.com/bbBgtZN

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1-10 Adams incomplete deep cross.  The play is well designed.  It's THE play to beat single high cover 3 - run a WR across the middle of the field behind the LBs.  Play action works perfectly and LB 58 and others are scrambling to recover and have their backs to Rodgers... TURN IT LOOSE BUDDY

https://imgur.com/VD0whgj

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2-10 deep TD to Tonyan.  This play is broken... 4 vertical concept

https://imgur.com/1qvYasW

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1-10 incomplete to MVS.  This is a bad miss by Rodgers.  MVS is not only covered he's really covered.  Safe throw, but 2 underneath out/flare routes by TE/RB are wide open.  They definitely reviewed this on the sideline and it comes back into play later.

https://imgur.com/aImimNY

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3-5 Incomplete to ESB.  MVS on the deep cross with ESB on the deep IN route behind it.  MVS is open, ESB has a window, but the 2 guys aren't on the same page.  ESB is assuming rodgers throws over top of any 2nd level LB, while Rodgers is expecting him to settle in after clearing 54 wagner.  Regardless, 58 Calitro makes this play for seattle by really stressing and closing the hole, but he probably turned MVS loose too early.  Good gamble by him?  Bad throw? Mis-read by rookie?  Some/sum of everything.

https://imgur.com/f4g8fu9

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3-4 sack MVS and Adams crossers.  This is a bad hold by rodgers given situation.  Playcall works perfectly, Rodgers needs to stand in there and throw early to MVS for 6 yards and the chains move.  If he wants to wait and misses that, Adams is clearly the 2nd read but he PANICs and takes his eyes down after not going to MVS so he doesn't see Adams.

https://imgur.com/exlLtpf

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1-10 dumpoff to Jones. Here's where that microsoft surface review on the MVS incompletion comes back to help.  Same design, same defense, different result when he dumps it to Jones.  Seattle was really dropping LBs deep daring Rodgers to check it down on a lot of snaps.

https://imgur.com/2B0IBcO

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1-10 Jones screen.  Went right back to the well with jones, and this is a really really nice design by Mac.  Everything about this presnap screams screen right to adams.  Watch roders sell it with hands and eyes to the right after Adams moves across pre-snap.

https://imgur.com/yJmpivc

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1-10 Slant Flats to Adams.  Rodgers makes this play happen by stressing the LB (right before gif starts he directs jones to run that flat route) and then throwing the slant in behind him.  Adams is a little gunshy of a big hit here that was never coming...

https://imgur.com/nhzu1GE

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1-10 Kendricks flat route against the blitz.  This is a HUGE error by Rodgers in that he KNOWS it's a blitz and doesn't throw into the areas the LBs vacate EVEN though everything is picked up and EVEN though he's looking right at him early!!!!  Instead he throws to one of our worst receivers on the sideline.  Pass complete for 3 yards, but the natural throw here has to be to wide open ESB right in the areas where the LBs came from.  Woof.

https://imgur.com/4Q27k7z

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2-7 TD throw to Jones.  In the end the miss on the last play won't matter.  Great design.   We run slant/flats AGAIN on the right, but this time 58 gets caught gambling and assuming it's another short route from Jones and he runs right by him.  Good safe throw to an area and good catch.

https://imgur.com/u18h1aK

 

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Just as I expected, some gross route concepts and some awful judgement by Rodgers. They take turns stalling us. Mac schemfs up a dandy, Aaron holds it, Rodgers moves the ball, 3rd and 2, Mac calls up a dud. I'm ready to put 3rd and short in the hands of a different Aaron and hope for the best.

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1 minute ago, Packerraymond said:

Just as I expected, some gross route concepts and some awful judgement by Rodgers. They take turns stalling us. Mac schemfs up a dandy, Aaron holds it, Rodgers moves the ball, 3rd and 2, Mac calls up a dud. I'm ready to put 3rd and short in the hands of a different Aaron and hope for the best.

The second half is way worse.

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12 minutes ago, skibrett15 said:

I skip a few obvious RPO plays to adams which gain 6 or 7.

Overall post with all gifs on one is here:

https://imgur.com/a/wENEjpB

--------------------

1-10 to Graham, boot action easy nice design.

https://imgur.com/7szYfxu

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1-10 Shot to Davante.  At first I was frustrated this is underthrown, but you look at what he did by faking to graham (who is open) and this is a really nice subtle route on the pump by Adams to create the separation.  Rodgers lays it out there fine.  Good overall QB play despite a perfect throw being a TD.

https://imgur.com/O9AedDb

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3-3. Scrambles right, everyone is covered, nowhere to go with the ball.  Maaaybe you toss one up to MVS here.  Scrambling and hoping graham uncovers is the right call, especially since the protection broke down.

https://imgur.com/Jt97oJN

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2-11 Kendricks flat slants.  Graham is also open here.  Flat/slants comes through again -- 55 hesitates to cover a throw to adams.

https://imgur.com/ltk7UAT

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3-3 scramble.  Nothing there, good choice to pick it up.

https://imgur.com/bbBgtZN

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1-10 Adams incomplete deep cross.  The play is well designed.  It's THE play to beat single high cover 3 - run a WR across the middle of the field behind the LBs.  Play action works perfectly and LB 58 and others are scrambling to recover and have their backs to Rodgers... TURN IT LOOSE BUDDY

https://imgur.com/VD0whgj

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2-10 deep TD to Tonyan.  This play is broken... 4 vertical concept

https://imgur.com/1qvYasW

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1-10 incomplete to MVS.  This is a bad miss by Rodgers.  MVS is not only covered he's really covered.  Safe throw, but 2 underneath out/flare routes by TE/RB are wide open.  They definitely reviewed this on the sideline and it comes back into play later.

https://imgur.com/aImimNY

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3-5 Incomplete to ESB.  MVS on the deep cross with ESB on the deep IN route behind it.  MVS is open, ESB has a window, but the 2 guys aren't on the same page.  ESB is assuming rodgers throws over top of any 2nd level LB, while Rodgers is expecting him to settle in after clearing 54 wagner.  Regardless, 58 Calitro makes this play for seattle by really stressing and closing the hole, but he probably turned MVS loose too early.  Good gamble by him?  Bad throw? Mis-read by rookie?  Some/sum of everything.

https://imgur.com/f4g8fu9

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3-4 sack MVS and Adams crossers.  This is a bad hold by rodgers given situation.  Playcall works perfectly, Rodgers needs to stand in there and throw early to MVS for 6 yards and the chains move.  If he wants to wait and misses that, Adams is clearly the 2nd read but he PANICs and takes his eyes down after not going to MVS so he doesn't see Adams.

https://imgur.com/exlLtpf

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1-10 dumpoff to Jones. Here's where that microsoft surface review on the MVS incompletion comes back to help.  Same design, same defense, different result when he dumps it to Jones.  Seattle was really dropping LBs deep daring Rodgers to check it down on a lot of snaps.

https://imgur.com/2B0IBcO

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1-10 Jones screen.  Went right back to the well with jones, and this is a really really nice design by Mac.  Everything about this presnap screams screen right to adams.  Watch roders sell it with hands and eyes to the right after Adams moves across pre-snap.

https://imgur.com/yJmpivc

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1-10 Slant Flats to Adams.  Rodgers makes this play happen by stressing the LB (right before gif starts he directs jones to run that flat route) and then throwing the slant in behind him.  Adams is a little gunshy of a big hit here that was never coming...

https://imgur.com/nhzu1GE

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1-10 Kendricks flat route against the blitz.  This is a HUGE error by Rodgers in that he KNOWS it's a blitz and doesn't throw into the areas the LBs vacate EVEN though everything is picked up and EVEN though he's looking right at him early!!!!  Instead he throws to one of our worst receivers on the sideline.  Pass complete for 3 yards, but the natural throw here has to be to wide open ESB right in the areas where the LBs came from.  Woof.

https://imgur.com/4Q27k7z

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2-7 TD throw to Jones.  In the end the miss on the last play won't matter.  Great design.   We run slant/flats AGAIN on the right, but this time 58 gets caught gambling and assuming it's another short route from Jones and he runs right by him.  Good safe throw to an area and good catch.

https://imgur.com/u18h1aK

 

Nice job.  Thanks for doing this. 

Good to see someone talk actual football.

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I want to throw this out for comment:

When I watch Rodgers, I see on the vast majority of the plays he throws off the back foot.  Even the deep shots, he doesn't step into it.  Arm motion looks different too.

I went back and watched his play in 2010, and he almost never did that.

I went and looked at the Dallas game in the 2016 playoffs, and it was about half the time.

On the first half GIFs he really only transfers his weight on one throw, and on the long throw to Tonyan where he said he was just trying to throw it as far as he can, he doesn't transfer through like one would expect.

It will show up again on the first drive in the second half where on 3rd down after the EQ penalty, he leaves a shot to Adams way short. Again off the back foot, no weight transfer.

He seems much less accurate this way, and appears to avoid window that he used to throw to.

Any ideas on what the issue is?  Is it the left leg injury?  He said post game it wasn't an issue.  Is it a bad habit?  Does he think he is just as accurate this way?  Not enough time to set?

What do you think?

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32 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

I'll make sure when you post it that I haven't recently eaten when I watch it. I imagine bile will come up watching that trash. It did live.

tomorrow maybe.  THere aren't as many plays.  For now here's my least favorite:

Just throw it to the gosh dang designed route in the middle.  two crossers open it up and it's right there to ESB!

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21 minutes ago, Ragnar Danneskjold said:

Any ideas on what the issue is?  Is it the left leg injury?  He said post game it wasn't an issue.  Is it a bad habit?  Does he think he is just as accurate this way?  Not enough time to set?

On the first shot to adams, there isn't time to set.

But I do think that has become the default UNLESS he is outside the pocket.

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8 minutes ago, skibrett15 said:

tomorrow maybe.  THere aren't as many plays.  For now here's my least favorite:

Just throw it to the gosh dang designed route in the middle.  two crossers open it up and it's right there to ESB!

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On the first shot to adams, there isn't time to set.

But I do think that has become the default UNLESS he is outside the pocket.

ESB has to sit that. I get it, still probably the throw that needs to be made. Why does the other crosser break in and move DBs into the middle of the field? That should be a go or an out breaking route for MVS.

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1 minute ago, Packerraymond said:

ESB has to sit that. I get it, still probably the throw that needs to be made. Why does the other crosser break in and move DBs into the middle of the field? That should be a go or an out breaking route for MVS.

the play is designed to have man beating and zone beating parts.  The double crosser is the man beating part

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Just now, skibrett15 said:

the play is designed to have man beating and zone beating parts.  The double crosser is the man beating part

And there in lies my issue with Mac. Most offenses are simple now. You have your play designed to open up 1-2 routes and you send a checkdown out. Your other routes are to clear open grass for those two. Those routes are built in option based for man/zone. The QB and WR need to read the coverage and then it's minimal reaction from there.

Mac runs an iso based scheme with every route potentially being an option, and man/zone beaters mixed into the patterns with minimal option routes. It leads to narrow windows and the highest level of QB play to execute.

That play is so simple, the crosser is going to suck in Wagner, have MVS clear the backside CB and hold the safety with a go and EQ's route should be an option to sit or carry. Rodgers looks off the S by eyeing MVS, he sees Wagner sucked into the crosser, EQ dials it down, 15 yards.

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3 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

And there in lies my issue with Mac. Most offenses are simple now. You have your play designed to open up 1-2 routes and you send a checkdown out. Your other routes are to clear open grass for those two. Those routes are built in option based for man/zone. The QB and WR need to read the coverage and then it's minimal reaction from there.

Mac runs an iso based scheme with every route potentially being an option, and man/zone beaters mixed into the patterns with minimal option routes. It leads to narrow windows and the highest level of QB play to execute.

That play is so simple, the crosser is going to suck in Wagner, have MVS clear the backside CB and hold the safety with a go and EQ's route should be an option to sit or carry. Rodgers looks off the S by eyeing MVS, he sees Wagner sucked into the crosser, EQ dials it down, 15 yards.

are we talking about kendricks or MVS here?

I think I thought you meant the 2x short crossing routes between kendricks and adams.

 

If your issue is with MVS running the deep in route late in the down, well, ok.  That's like the 4th read here I think.

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13 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

And there in lies my issue with Mac. Most offenses are simple now. You have your play designed to open up 1-2 routes and you send a checkdown out. Your other routes are to clear open grass for those two. Those routes are built in option based for man/zone. The QB and WR need to read the coverage and then it's minimal reaction from there.

Mac runs an iso based scheme with every route potentially being an option, and man/zone beaters mixed into the patterns with minimal option routes. It leads to narrow windows and the highest level of QB play to execute.

That play is so simple, the crosser is going to suck in Wagner, have MVS clear the backside CB and hold the safety with a go and EQ's route should be an option to sit or carry. Rodgers looks off the S by eyeing MVS, he sees Wagner sucked into the crosser, EQ dials it down, 15 yards.

Or to make it simple, how 'bout AR just throw the damn ball to one of the open crossing receivers and let them run with it.

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9 minutes ago, skibrett15 said:

are we talking about kendricks or MVS here?

I think I thought you meant the 2x short crossing routes between kendricks and adams.

 

If your issue is with MVS running the deep in route late in the down, well, ok.  That's like the 4th read here I think.

Yes I'm talking MVS, it's not about the read. It's about the fact that everything Mac has created in this route concept is to open up space for EQ, and look, he's done it well. Then what does he do? Schemes MVS to run into open grass and drag his defenders in there. Just get MVS the hell away from the middle of the field. He's as you say a last ditch read. Run him on a go, on a corner, on an out. Don't care, don't drag him through the beautiful open grass you've just created. 

Also EQ should absolutely have the option to shut that route down and should take it. His *** should be planted right on that Seahawks logo, hands up ready for the ball.

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55 minutes ago, Ragnar Danneskjold said:

I want to throw this out for comment:

When I watch Rodgers, I see on the vast majority of the plays he throws off the back foot.  Even the deep shots, he doesn't step into it.  Arm motion looks different too.

I went back and watched his play in 2010, and he almost never did that.

I went and looked at the Dallas game in the 2016 playoffs, and it was about half the time.

On the first half GIFs he really only transfers his weight on one throw, and on the long throw to Tonyan where he said he was just trying to throw it as far as he can, he doesn't transfer through like one would expect.

It will show up again on the first drive in the second half where on 3rd down after the EQ penalty, he leaves a shot to Adams way short. Again off the back foot, no weight transfer.

He seems much less accurate this way, and appears to avoid window that he used to throw to.

Any ideas on what the issue is?  Is it the left leg injury?  He said post game it wasn't an issue.  Is it a bad habit?  Does he think he is just as accurate this way?  Not enough time to set?

What do you think?

I remember having this same impression that his throwing motion looked off through the entire 2015 season too.

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