seminoles1 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 This tournament has shown me that some posters are annoyingly pretentious. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 A New Hope revolutionized visual/practical effects, that can't be refuted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlevinKelevra Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: This tournament has shown me that some posters are annoyingly pretentious. If you're going to make a comment like that at least have the guts to call people out by name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlevinKelevra Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Deadpulse said: A New Hope revolutionized visual/practical effects, that can't be refuted. and now , at least in part thanks to that, they (VFX in general, practical effects not so much) are often used in place of storytelling, or acting. and that can't be refuted either. Edited March 12, 2020 by SlevinKelevra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 Just now, SlevinKelevra said: If you're going to make a comment like that at least have the guts to call people out by name. well that's against the rules so good thing he didnt. Lets keep the conversation about the flicks and not each other please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 minute ago, SlevinKelevra said: If you're going to make a comment like that at least have the guts to call people out by name. Okay. You're annoyingly pretentious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 Just now, SlevinKelevra said: and now , at least in part thanks to that, they are often used in place of storytelling, or acting. and that can't be refuted either. There will always be bad movies, not sure I see your point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlevinKelevra Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Deadpulse said: There will always be bad movies, not sure I see your point... Star Wars success at the box office basically ushered in the idea that very flawed (if not outright bad) movies can be mega profitable as long as they dazzle the audience with visual candy. (Yes, a few of the 50/60s era epic/spectacle films did the same thing in a different way). But it ushered in an overemphasis and reliance on effects that drove a cottage industry to advance technology year over year and now has now come full-force to where most movies that make profit today are more effects than acting/story. And since studios make what audiences pay for... sigh. {edit* yes I know hollywood accounting says all movies lose money} Edited March 12, 2020 by SlevinKelevra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 55 minutes ago, SlevinKelevra said: a shameless ripoff of a superior film from 25 years prior changed everything? how sad. Solaris Stalker Soylent Green ClockWork Orange Plan IV hm: the Black Hole, Alien (this is a horror movie with s space setting, not really scifi), Andromeda Strain (seems timely) , man who Fell to Earth, No need for this pretension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animaltested Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Just popping in to say I'm a filthy philistine who hasn't seen many 1970's Sci-fi. So Star Wars: A New Hope is my only nominee. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlevinKelevra Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, scar988 said: No need for this pretension. it's not pretension, but thanks for the personal attack anyways! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 45 minutes ago, SlevinKelevra said: Star Wars success at the box office basically ushered in the idea that very flawed (if not outright bad) movies can be mega profitable as long as they dazzle the audience with visual candy. (Yes, a few of the 50/60s era epic/spectacle films did the same thing in a different way). But it ushered in an overemphasis and reliance on effects that drove a cottage industry to advance technology year over year and now has now come full-force to where most movies that make profit today are more effects than acting/story. And since studios make what audiences pay for... sigh. {edit* yes I know hollywood accounting says all movies lose money} You yourself admit that this type of film making existed prior to A New Hope. I stand by my assessment that bad movies will always and have always existed. "Popcorn flicks" and crowd pleasers will and have always been made. Critically strong movies have always typically made less because they appeal to a smaller audience and not the general movie going public. To say A New Hope created that dynamic is asinine. If you don't like it, that is fine. However, to accuse it of being some sort of catalyst for creating a mindset for filmmakers is stretching it farther than the sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animaltested Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 BTW Deadpulse, I'm probably going to be skipping 60s / 50s Sci-fi. Only way I can suggest (non 2001) nominees is if we count Mystery Science Theater 3000 episodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) You need a little bit of pretension in discussions like this. Can't have Transformers type movies winning every decade. A New Hope should not win best anything for the 70's. George Lucas himself visited the set of Close Encounters of the Third Kind and complained to Spielberg about his utter lack of faith in his own movie. He said Close Encounters was a great production, professional, the movie would be great and remembered and his was going to bomb. And it would have if not for the editing. The editing of Star Wars is what saved that movie from being a terrible abomination of filmmaking. As far as what made it beloved... That was the characters. That was Harrison Ford. That was Carrie Fisher. That was Chewbacca and R2-D2. The movie itself is not good. In fact, it's bad. The only reason we don't see that is because of how beloved those characters are. This is going to sound like blasphemy to a lot of people, but Star Wars: A New Hope is not a good movie. It's no better than Starcrash or Space Raiders or any of the other movies that ripped it off. And speaking of the movies that ripped Star Wars off, Star Wars is 100% pastiche. Every single thing that happens in Star Wars is ripped off from something else, and something better. The most iconic shot of Luke is John Ford. The story is Dune and a conglomerate of other sci fi/ fantasy. Lucas essentially stole shots from his favorite directors. The man (Lucas) basically got his shot by winning a competition and he was allowed to visit the set of a Francis Ford Coppola film. George Lucas is not a great filmmaker. He has a brilliantly creative mind for sure, but he's not a great filmmaker. In fact, he's a bad one. He directed A New Hope and the prequel trilogy. Those are not great films. The ONLY Star Wars film that belongs on this list is Empire Strikes Back. Edited March 12, 2020 by Outpost31 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Invasion of the Body Snatchers A Clockwork Orange Alien Mad Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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