Dcash4 Posted March 15, 2022 Author Share Posted March 15, 2022 28 minutes ago, warfelg said: I’d counter that we were set up for that 1 stud (especially in the secondary) being the difference. A group of competent guys means it’s harder to contain top WR’s and its harder to scheme around one guy being able to do one thing. Having that “guy” can really alter the complexion of the defense. It’s hard enough to contain top wide receivers as it is and the rules are built for them to win. Difference of opinion but I’d rather feel more confident going against 2 through 4 on passing attacks that can be 3-4+ Options. I mean, I wouldn’t complain about having a stud. But I really enjoyed our Nelson, Haden, Sutton/Hilton group. And none of them were studs. All just solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigben07MVP Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 My prediction is we sign Hightower or re-sign Edmunds next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dcash4 said: It’s hard enough to contain top wide receivers as it is and the rules are built for them to win. Difference of opinion but I’d rather feel more confident going against 2 through 4 on passing attacks that can be 3-4+ Options. I mean, I wouldn’t complain about having a stud. But I really enjoyed our Nelson, Haden, Sutton/Hilton group. And none of them were studs. All just solid. I know I keep sounding like a broken record with this, but that’s not the way I would match it up. I would put the stud corner on the #2 WR on an island and use Minkah/CB2 to cover the stud WR. That’s the exact thing that just got JC paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dcash4 Posted March 15, 2022 Author Share Posted March 15, 2022 21 minutes ago, warfelg said: I know I keep sounding like a broken record with this, but that’s not the way I would match it up. I would put the stud corner on the #2 WR on an island and use Minkah/CB2 to cover the stud WR. That’s the exact thing that just got JC paid. I know you like the BB model. And I don’t mind it. But you are still only as good as your weakest link in the secondary. You can have that plan but if your third is trash, I’ll just destroy him and figure out your rules to break the system. Like when the Jags had Bouye and Ramsey but you could eat against their nickel and they had specific movement rules you could exploit That’s always been Bills strength. Finding DBs and getting the most out of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Dcash4 said: I know you like the BB model. And I don’t mind it. But you are still only as good as your weakest link in the secondary. You can have that plan but if your third is trash, I’ll just destroy him and figure out your rules to break the system. Like when the Jags had Bouye and Ramsey but you could eat against their nickel and they had specific movement rules you could exploit That’s always been Bills strength. Finding DBs and getting the most out of them. It worked for him because he used 3 to take out 2. That left SS (who was basically a second FS to him), ILB, WILL (who he used as a SS), NCB to take out TE, Slot, RB. He’d use the NCB and SS to bracket the Slot. That’s the part that the Jags did not do. They had them play a straight man and never gave the NCB a bracket help of being able to play outside leverage and chase inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 26 minutes ago, warfelg said: As expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August4th Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 bring Juju back on another cheap 1 yr deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, August4th said: bring Juju back on another cheap 1 yr deal? I dont know. I like Juju, but I just dont see what he really adds to the offense at this point. Good hands and solid route runner, but pretty one dimensional and not great at getting separation. Im not totally opposed to it, but Id kinda like to move on and try something else. If it happens, fine...but it better be a bit cheaper than last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, 43M said: I dont know. I like Juju, but I just dont see what he really adds to the offense at this point. Good hands and solid route runner, but pretty one dimensional and not great at getting separation. Im not totally opposed to it, but Id kinda like to move on and try something else. If it happens, fine...but it better be a bit cheaper than last year. He really needs that rehab year with a QB unafraid to go deep where the under will open up for him again. As of right now we aren’t that team. While AB really helped him get open through single coverage, these last 3 years of everyone running into the same spots and trying to use individual routes all trying to find the hole in the fence so to speak didn’t help. I want to see Juju (and DJ to a lesser degree) with the type of WR who can take the lid off a defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcash4 Posted March 15, 2022 Author Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 hour ago, warfelg said: It worked for him because he used 3 to take out 2. That left SS (who was basically a second FS to him), ILB, WILL (who he used as a SS), NCB to take out TE, Slot, RB. He’d use the NCB and SS to bracket the Slot. That’s the part that the Jags did not do. They had them play a straight man and never gave the NCB a bracket help of being able to play outside leverage and chase inside. All schemes work on paper. You are still only as good as your weakest player against the secondary. BB is to DBs what we have been to WR in terms of finding talent. That’s a part about why it works. I don’t trust we could repeat that. I don’t dislike the scheme, I’d just prefer to pay 2 solid players Vs the price of 1 good one. Puts a lot of pressure on your abilities to judge talent and select players - something we suck at in the secondary. i didn’t know if the rate got shared, but that’s a really, really good price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 I'm good with the Wallace signing. Sad that we didn't sign Jordan Whitehead but not surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dcash4 said: All schemes work on paper. You are still only as good as your weakest player against the secondary. BB is to DBs what we have been to WR in terms of finding talent. That’s a part about why it works. I don’t trust we could repeat that. I don’t dislike the scheme, I’d just prefer to pay 2 solid players Vs the price of 1 good one. Puts a lot of pressure on your abilities to judge talent and select players - something we suck at in the secondary. i didn’t know if the rate got shared, but that’s a really, really good price. Most Bills fans are saying he is a solid, albeit unspectacular starter. He fits the mold we typically target. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcash4 Posted March 15, 2022 Author Share Posted March 15, 2022 The Browns trading for Watson is interesting. The Browns possibly trading Baker regardless of Watson is even more interesting (and also hilarious) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August4th Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 I think Baker is done in cle. IDK how they can repair that relationship after this Watson stuff. I can see baker requesting a trade in a few weeks. I can see cle going after Jimmy G if they don't land watson(plz don't let this happen) and then trade baker to indy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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