🏈 Raiders select with pick #122: RB Zamir White

[NYRaider]

7 hours ago, Humble_Beast said:

I don't think there's much of a trade market for Drake.He's in his late 20s, he failed in Miami, and just had a few good games in Arizona. They didn't want to keep him. Lucky to get a late rounder, and probably be best to just keep him at that point. 

It just depends on injuries and if a team gets desperate before the start of the season. 

[Frankie2Gunz]

6 hours ago, NYRaider said:

There are only so many touches to go around and if you move Drake you by default elevate White into an RB2 role and prepare him to take over as the starter after this season. If you keep Jacobs, Drake, and Bolden, White is basically going to take a redshirt year this season.

This team is built for a playoff run and if Jacobs goes down with an injury, starting an unproven rookie is not a wise move.  It's not about Drake getting touches initially, keeping him is about proven depth.  That is valuable during a 17 game season.  

I don't understand the logic behind wanting to move on from Drake.  We get extra cap money?  So what, we are freeing up over 20 million in a few days.  Drakes depth value far supersedes the cap money he will free up.   

[MrOaktown_56]

People are already overrating white. He’s a 4th round rookie. I actually like his skill set, but talking about him as a future starter is laughable. Let him do SOMETHING first. The guys in front of him are significantly more proven. Drake is also a very good back who played with a mediocre at best OL and cables garbage run scheme. That’s just keeping it real.

[Jeremy408]

2 hours ago, Frankie2Gunz said:

This team is built for a playoff run and if Jacobs goes down with an injury, starting an unproven rookie is not a wise move.  It's not about Drake getting touches initially, keeping him is about proven depth.  That is valuable during a 17 game season.  

I don't understand the logic behind wanting to move on from Drake.  We get extra cap money?  So what, we are freeing up over 20 million in a few days.  Drakes depth value far supersedes the cap money he will free up.   

ideally with the RBs that we have, White shouldnt have to play this year, but can if we have the injury situation like we did last year and we'll be better off than we were last year 

[NYRaider]

3 hours ago, Frankie2Gunz said:

This team is built for a playoff run and if Jacobs goes down with an injury, starting an unproven rookie is not a wise move.  It's not about Drake getting touches initially, keeping him is about proven depth.  That is valuable during a 17 game season.  

I don't understand the logic behind wanting to move on from Drake.  We get extra cap money?  So what, we are freeing up over 20 million in a few days.  Drakes depth value far supersedes the cap money he will free up.   

Are we going to ignore the fact that Drake had 250 yards in 12 games last year and is coming off of a nasty ankle injury? Us signing Bolden, Abdullah and then drafting two RB's doesn't indicate that they're extremely confident in Drake. I don't personally want to trade Drake but I said that it's a move I could see us making if they think White is ready to be RB2.

[NYRaider]

1 hour ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

People are already overrating white. He’s a 4th round rookie. I actually like his skill set, but talking about him as a future starter is laughable. Let him do SOMETHING first. The guys in front of him are significantly more proven. Drake is also a very good back who played with a mediocre at best OL and cables garbage run scheme. That’s just keeping it real.

I don't think that projecting him as a future starter is laughable, the pick looks a lot like what the Patriots did when they drafted Damien Harris to eventually replace former 1st round RB Sony Michel. FTR I never said that I wanted us to trade Drake, I just said I wouldn't be surprised if we did.

[MrOaktown_56]

13 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

I don't think that projecting him as a future starter is laughable, the pick looks a lot like what the Patriots did when they drafted Damien Harris to eventually replace former 1st round RB Sony Michel. FTR I never said that I wanted us to trade Drake, I just said I wouldn't be surprised if we did.

Saying it because of his rookie deal is 1 thing. Saying it because apparently he has a superior skill set to Jacobs is another. He hasn't played an NFL snap. He's a decent back for sure, but I don't see anything super special personally. At least not consistently.

I actually think Jacobs has a monster year provided run blocking is league average, which I think it will be. Then he walks and everyone rationalizes how White will be better.

[NYRaider]

3 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

Saying it because of his rookie deal is 1 thing. Saying it because apparently he has a superior skill set to Jacobs is another. He hasn't played an NFL snap. He's a decent back for sure, but I don't see anything super special personally. At least not consistently.

I actually think Jacobs has a monster year provided run blocking is league average, which I think it will be. Then he walks and everyone rationalizes how White will be better.

Who said that he as superior skill set to Jacobs? I'm just saying that we saw McDaniels/Ziegler draft a mid-round RB with a similar skill-set to White in Harris when they had Sony Michel, who was a former 1st round pick, and then he eventually replaced him as their starter. I have faith in Ziegler's ability to scout RB's after what they got out of Stevenson/Harris last year. 

Jacobs is clearly RB1 and will be one of the key pieces for our offense this season. McDaniels clearly prefers RBs that can catch the ball, which is why Stevenson started to get more looks over Harris as the year went on. I'm a Jacobs fan, I wanted us to pick up his option...

[MrOaktown_56]

1 hour ago, NYRaider said:

Who said that he as superior skill set to Jacobs? I'm just saying that we saw McDaniels/Ziegler draft a mid-round RB with a similar skill-set to White in Harris when they had Sony Michel, who was a former 1st round pick, and then he eventually replaced him as their starter. I have faith in Ziegler's ability to scout RB's after what they got out of Stevenson/Harris last year. 

Jacobs is clearly RB1 and will be one of the key pieces for our offense this season. McDaniels clearly prefers RBs that can catch the ball, which is why Stevenson started to get more looks over Harris as the year went on. I'm a Jacobs fan, I wanted us to pick up his option...

Read through the comments. You’ll see what I’m saying. I agree though. I know we don’t have space to pay everyone but I’ll be sad when josh walks.

[NYRaider]

Just now, MrOaktown_56 said:

Read through the comments. You’ll see what I’m saying. I agree though. I know we don’t have space to pay everyone but I’ll be sad when josh walks.

I like Jacobs, I think he's a top 10 RB and should have a monster year, not sure why everyone here dislikes him. Spotrac has his market value at 4 yr/$40M entering free agency next year, I wish we would've just picked up his 5th year at $8M although he may not have wanted that tbh. We could tag him at $9.5M but that's not going to happen either. 

[MrOaktown_56]

9 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

I like Jacobs, I think he's a top 10 RB and should have a monster year, not sure why everyone here dislikes him. Spotrac has his market value at 4 yr/$40M entering free agency next year, I wish we would've just picked up his 5th year at $8M although he may not have wanted that tbh. We could tag him at $9.5M but that's not going to happen either. 

Yep. I'm not a player fanboy or anything but he's a good pass protector, decent pass catcher, and really tough with yards after contact. When he gets a tiny hole he usually does well. Our OL got handled all of last year until down the stretch when he thrived. No idea why he gets hate.

[NYRaider]

38 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

Yep. I'm not a player fanboy or anything but he's a good pass protector, decent pass catcher, and really tough with yards after contact. When he gets a tiny hole he usually does well. Our OL got handled all of last year until down the stretch when he thrived. No idea why he gets hate.

He honestly carried our offense down the final stretch of the season despite terrible OL play and if we gave him the ball more against the Bengals we might have won the game. Of all the 1st round picks we've made over the last few decades he's one of the only ones that has given us consistent production.

[Jeremy408]

1 hour ago, NYRaider said:

He honestly carried our offense down the final stretch of the season despite terrible OL play and if we gave him the ball more against the Bengals we might have won the game. Of all the 1st round picks we've made over the last few decades he's one of the only ones that has given us consistent production.

 

1 hour ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

Yep. I'm not a player fanboy or anything but he's a good pass protector, decent pass catcher, and really tough with yards after contact. When he gets a tiny hole he usually does well. Our OL got handled all of last year until down the stretch when he thrived. No idea why he gets hate.

My thing with Jacobs is that I wonder how he'll do with the power blocking scheme. I heard he was always more of a zone guy

[NYRaider]

7 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said:

My thing with Jacobs is that I wonder how he'll do with the power blocking scheme. I heard he was always more of a zone guy

Damien Harris, Jacobs Alabama running mate, lit it up in McDaniels scheme.

I think a PBS fits our OL group better anyways, Leatherwood, James, everyone other than Kolton looked lost at times in Cable's scheme. In the PBS they just have to do their job and Jacobs just has to hit the hole.

Edited May 27, 2022 by NYRaider

[Frankie2Gunz]

3 hours ago, NYRaider said:

Are we going to ignore the fact that Drake had 250 yards in 12 games last year and is coming off of a nasty ankle injury? Us signing Bolden, Abdullah and then drafting two RB's doesn't indicate that they're extremely confident in Drake. I don't personally want to trade Drake but I said that it's a move I could see us making if they think White is ready to be RB2.

I'm not ignoring any of that and if that is your stance on Drake then you must be implying his trade value is minimal.  His prior two years with the Cards averaged 4.5 YPC and 9 TD's per season.  He is also a very good receiver out of the backfield.  My point is that getting rid of him is pointless as he is proven commodity who can carry the load and pass protect if Jacobs goes down.  I would not feel comfortable rolling into the season with an unproved 4th round backup and a 3rd down specialist getting significant carries if something happens to Jacobs.  

You must have forgotten what a team with lack of depth does when injuries occur.  Do you remember picking up garbage off the couch like Barber to carry the load?  I do and it's not pretty.  If you think that is acceptable then by all means move on from Drake with nothing proven behind him to add to over over 20M in cap space we will have in a few days.