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Cwood is a nerd and so are all the Packer Favorite Prospects: 2023 Draft Discussion Thread

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beekay414

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1 minute ago, incognito_man said:

Absolutely every prospect is impacted by their teammates. JSN is both a talented slot WR and had dominant talent around him for the defense to worry about as well

I don't think anyone is questioning that. Did this carry over from Olave and Wilson last year? I mean, if JSN gets knocked for it, shouldn't they too?

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Absolutely outside the JSN talk here...wanna compare Watson with Wilson and Olave.

Watson: 66 targets, 41 receptions, 611 yards, 7 TD
Wilson: 147 targets, 83 receptions, 1103 yards, 4 TD
Olave: 119 targets, 72 receptions, 1042 yards, 4 TD

Watson was incredible when targeted. 

 

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Still 12 days to go so maybe I'll change my mind on a few of these, but I think I've settled on my top 10 most likely picks for the Packers at 15 (assuming no trade up or trade down), separated into 3 groups:

Notable players not included because I consider them gone well before 15: Anderson, Wilson, Gonzalez, Witherspoon, Carter

Group 1 -> Guys I doubt make it to 15 but would be at the top GB's board if they do: 

  1. Paris Johnson (OT) - I think the Packers will view him as the prize OL in the draft and would pounce on him as Bak's replacement for 2024. This year, he would instantly start at RT or even RG if they want competition there. 
  2. Jaxon Smith-Njigba (WR) - it's been discussed, but there isn't a better plug-n-play weapon for Love than JSN.  
  3. Lukas Van Ness (EDGE) - Guessing Packers view him slightly above Murphy as the top EDGE guy after the two top guys are gone (Anderson/Wilson). I think other teams will feel the same way though, and I doubt he's there at 15. 

Group 2 -> Guys I suspect have at least a 50% or better chance of being available at pick 15 and would be the most likely options on the board: 

  1. Myles Murphy (EDGE) - If LVN is gone, Murphy becomes the obvious pick at EDGE in my opinion. Fits the Packers' EDGE profile and has most of the athletic traits Gutey likes. 
  2. Broderick Jones (OT) - I have him above Wright in terms of what I think the Packers would want in an OT at pick 15. Jones probably isn't plug-n-play this season like Paris or maybe even Wright, but he's still a long-term option for replacing Bak and Wright likely is not. That's why Jones gets the nod. 
  3. Darnell Wright (OT) - Part of me still has trouble seeing the fit for Wright in GB's run scheme, and they typically avoid OTs as heavy as him. That being said, if they think he's a scheme fit, there are worse choices than getting a guy who you can probably just plug in as your starting RT for the next 8-10 years. 
  4. Brian Bresee (DL) - Bresee doesn't get talked about much, but his athletic profile is too on point to think he's not going to be high on Gute's board. DL is still a sneaky need after losing 2 guys this off-season and we really don't have a guy like Bresee on the roster. I wouldn't love this pick, but I think he's firmly in play at 15. 

Group 3 -> Sleeper picks at 15 (Guys I think GB will be higher on than most other teams) 

  1. Adetomiwa Adebawore (EDGE/DL) - unless I missed it, no one is really talking about AA being a top 15-20 pick, but as I mentioned on here a few days ago, I think Gute is probably absolutely salivating over this guy. He destroyed the combine and gives off some Gary vibes in terms of his athletic profile. The only question I have about AA is his fit given that he's under 6'2", which is short, especially for EDGE. Moreover, he may be too light to play DE in our defense. Still, nothing at all would shock me if Gute goes rogue again and drafts a guy at 15 who isn't showing up in any media mocks. 
  2. Keion White (EDGE/DL) - I mocked White to GB at 15 in the first mock I did right before the combine. Since then, you haven't heard much about the guy, and like AA, he's not really showing up in many first round mocks, especially as high as 15. Yet, I found it very interesting that he was invited to the draft, a sign that there's at least a decent expectation he's going in round 1. He's another super athlete who, unlike AA, has the prototypical size Gute would covet at EDGE, or as a hybrid type player. Don't be shocked if White is our guy. 
  3. Michael Mayer (TE) - unlike AA and White, a decent number of media mocks have had GB taking Mayer at 15. Still, he's a "sleeper" pick for me because of his position and the narrative that GB won't draft a TE in the first round. While this is likely true, I am having trouble finding a guy that Matt LaFleur wouldn't pound the table for more than Mayer (maybe other than JSN). We all saw Gute go against the grain last year and draft Walker, presumably because Barry wanted that piece on defense. Is it impossible to imagine that Gute would do the same thing this year and give LaFleur his guy? Mayer is a complete TE, something LaFleur's offense covets and something he's never had since being hired. He's not a super athlete but he's the most complete TE in the draft and I wouldn't be shocked if Gute ended up turning in that card, especially if LaFleur is in his ear. 

Notable names who didn't make the cut: 

  1. Peter Skoronski (OL) - I like Skoronski and he could very well be gone by 15 anyways, but I don't think the Packers would take him over the other OL options due to the fact that he's probably best suited for OG. I just don't think the Packers will value that as high on their board. 
  2. Nolan Smith (EDGE) - I'm not convinced the Packers have Smith as high on their board as some might think. I think he's too light (even with Barry's past of playing with lighter EDGE guys in LA). My guess is that that he's well behind LVN and Murphy on the board, and maybe even behind AA and White. In fact, if the Packers did go with a "speed" EDGE guy, I'm not convinced they would choose Smith over McDonald. I think McDonald will be the better pro. 
  3. Joey Porter (CB) - I'm guessing he's probably the top CB on the Packers' board after Gonzalez and Witherspoon, but I'm not convinced the Packers will go that route. While CB depth is always nice, I would see drafting Porter as a sign the Packers are looking to move on from Stokes as a starter and I don't think that's the case. Alexander is entrenched at least for a few more years on one side and likely Stokes on the other (with Sul as well). I don't think GB uses another 1st round on a boundary CB. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Cousin Eddie said:

What does the number of posts have to do with this? You think Hyatt will bust, I think JSN will. I will root for either of them if the Pack pick them.

Make that 57 posts.

Nothing. Much like this entire exchange.

I can give you reasons why I think Hyatt will bust. He has to be protected getting off the LOS as he neither has the footwork nor strength to beat the CB if pressed, his route tree is ****, his route running is beyond lacking and he's a deep ball or gadget guy if he can't figure out pro route concepts. Oh and he's small with **** agility testing.

Now tell me why JSN busts.

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12 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

Nothing. Much like this entire exchange.

I can give you reasons why I think Hyatt will bust. He has to be protected getting off the LOS as he neither has the footwork nor strength to beat the CB if pressed, his route tree is ****, his route running is beyond lacking and he's a deep ball or gadget guy if he can't figure out pro route concepts. Oh and he's small with **** agility testing.

Now tell me why JSN busts.

Speed - lacks top end speed and burst. can't run away from covering which is why he gets tackled from behind routinely

toughness - gets tackled too easy - struggled to fight through defenders

slot receiver only

significant injury in 2022

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Cousin Eddie said:

Speed - lacks top end speed and burst. can't run away from covering which is why he gets tackled from behind routinely

False - He lacks long speed, he has no problem getting away from coverage due to elite COD skills and route running.

2 minutes ago, Cousin Eddie said:

toughness - gets tackled too easy - struggled to fight through defenders

He's a WR, not a RB. Toughness isn't measurable.

2 minutes ago, Cousin Eddie said:

slot receiver only

So was Justin Jefferson. His "get open" skills say otherwise.

3 minutes ago, Cousin Eddie said:

significant injury in 2022

It was a hamstring.

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27 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

False - He lacks long speed, he has no problem getting away from coverage due to elite COD skills and route running.

He's a WR, not a RB. Toughness isn't measurable.

So was Justin Jefferson. His "get open" skills say otherwise.

It was a hamstring.

Agree that the hamstring is not an issue at all 

 

 

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Look, I want people to understand that I don't think JSN is a perfect WR. My gung-ho-ness (word?) with him is that what he does as a collegiate receiver is so damn advanced and shows an understanding of the stuff that will make him a lot of money in the NFL. His immeasurables are off the charts. That's why I love him. Trust me, I get drooling over the H/W/S guys or those HR threats but the last WR I attached myself to turned out to be an elite WR. Even if JSN is Buffalo Stefon Diggs, are you guys really going to say that's not worth 15? 

I don't know man. We all have our guys and I get that but I feel like JSN is under a microscope while we drool over the other WRs physical traits and ignore what they can't do. 

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6 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

Look, I want people to understand that I don't think JSN is a perfect WR. My gung-ho-ness (word?) with him is that what he does as a collegiate receiver is so damn advanced and shows an understanding of the stuff that will make him a lot of money in the NFL. His immeasurables are off the charts. That's why I love him. Trust me, I get drooling over the H/W/S guys or those HR threats but the last WR I attached myself to turned out to be an elite WR. Even if JSN is Buffalo Stefon Diggs, are you guys really going to say that's not worth 15? 

I don't know man. We all have our guys and I get that but I feel like JSN is under a microscope while we drool over the other WRs physical traits and ignore what they can't do. 

I 100% respect your opinion and perspective on JSN. I agree he is a damn good receiver. I personally like Hyatt a bit more but sure as hell wouldn't be upset if the Pack drafted JSN. I just honestly don't want a receiver at 15. 

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13 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

Look, I want people to understand that I don't think JSN is a perfect WR. My gung-ho-ness (word?) with him is that what he does as a collegiate receiver is so damn advanced and shows an understanding of the stuff that will make him a lot of money in the NFL. His immeasurables are off the charts. That's why I love him. Trust me, I get drooling over the H/W/S guys or those HR threats but the last WR I attached myself to turned out to be an elite WR. Even if JSN is Buffalo Stefon Diggs, are you guys really going to say that's not worth 15? 

I don't know man. We all have our guys and I get that but I feel like JSN is under a microscope while we drool over the other WRs physical traits and ignore what they can't do. 

JSN is under a microscope because he’s the only consensus first rounder in this draft. 

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