turtle28 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) CUTS/Restructures 1. Carson Wentz 2. Restructure Kendall Fuller 3. Roullier agrees to a pay cut to say 4. Logan Thomas agrees to a pay cut to stay FREE AGENCY Signings 2. James Bradberry RE-SIGN: 1. DaRon Payne 2. Taylor Heinicke 3. Cole Holcomb 4. Wes S. 5. Cam Sims 6. Jeremy Reaves 7. Danny Johnson 8. Richard Wildgoose (ERFA) DRAFT: 30. O'Cyrus Torrence OG Florida 52. Sedrick Van Pran OC Georgia 62. Jaelyn Duncan OT Maryland 98. Eli Ricks, CB Alabama 124. Jalen Graham LB Purdue 152. Kei'Trel Clark CB Louisville 184. Deshawn Pace LB Cincinnati 188. Deuce Vaughn, RB Kansas St Edited January 21, 2023 by turtle28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted December 27, 2022 Author Share Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) 2023 NFL Roster Offense: QB: Sam Howell, Taylor Heinicke, Jake Fromm RB: Brian Robinson, Antonio Gibson, Jarrett Patterson, Deuce Vaughan (R7) LT: Leno, Jaelyn Duncan (R2) LG: Norwell, Saahdiq Charles C : Roullier, Sedrick Van Pran (R2) RG: O’Cyrus Torrence (R1), Wes S. RT: Cosmi, Lucas TE: Logan Thomas, John Bates, Cole Turner, Amari Rodgers WR1: Terry McLaurin, Dyami Brown WR2: Jahan Dotson, Cam Sims Slot: Curtis Samuel, Dax Milne Defense: RDE: Montez Sweat, Obada DT: Jon Allen, Phil Mathis NT: Da’Ron Payne, Ridgeway LDE: Chase Young, JSW MLB: Holcomb, David Mayo OLB: Jamin Davis, Jalen Graham (R4), Khaleke Hudson BN: Bobby McCain, DeShawn Pace (R6) CB1: James Bradberry, Eli Ricks (R3) CB2: BSJ, Kei’Trel Clark (R5) Slot: Kendall Fuller, Christian Holmes SS: Kam Curl, Jeremy Reaves FS: Darrick Forrest, Percy Butler Edited January 21, 2023 by turtle28 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 How long till Jimmy G inevitably gets hurt behind that line? Does he make it longer than Wentz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsin2013 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 I really like the philosophy. Go heavy on the offensive line. Is anyone firmly against Gardner Minshew? He looks like a tool. But, man, look at his career stats. Most of which came on a really bad Jax team with limited offensive weapons. QBR better every year. Small sample size the last two. Still young. Heinicke swag. I dunno... I see more upside there than Jimmy G. Really, I think you give Howell the ball to start the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted December 27, 2022 Author Share Posted December 27, 2022 1 hour ago, MikeT14 said: How long till Jimmy G inevitably gets hurt behind that line? Does he make it longer than Wentz? Well, I’ve invested in the OL so hopefully it’s better & Jimmy G gets rid of the ball faster than Wentz. I guess maybe he gets hurt at some point but I’d be ok with that because then we’d see what Howell had & maybe Howell shows enough that we’d think he could be the guy in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted December 27, 2022 Author Share Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Skinsin2013 said: I really like the philosophy. Go heavy on the offensive line. Is anyone firmly against Gardner Minshew? He looks like a tool. But, man, look at his career stats. Most of which came on a really bad Jax team with limited offensive weapons. QBR better every year. Small sample size the last two. Still young. Heinicke swag. I dunno... I see more upside there than Jimmy G. Really, I think you give Howell the ball to start the year. I’m not against Minshew but I think Jimmy G is a better more consistent QB & Jimmy has a lot of playoff experience too. I have no problem w/ giving Howell the ropes, but I don’t think it’s realistic that happens with this coaching staff. Edited December 27, 2022 by turtle28 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceinthehouse Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 The QB situation next off season is simple for me. If Rivera & Coaching staff remain the same, even with new Owner? Keep Sam Howell & decide if he or a FA pickup is starter. ( Even if Heinicke or Wentz are brought back) Build the rest of the team. Specially, O-line as well as others. If New Owner comes in & all are fired? We get new coach & staff? Draft QB in round 1 or 2. Build O-line in draft &/or FA. Go from there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 I'm mostly good with your draft though FWIW, at least the positions in principle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 Like the idea of a trade-down to get into a better position to take an interior OL. Based on early reviews, I’d be pleased with either O.C. Torrence or J.M. Schmitz around the late 20s or so. Both really big boys who play like they know they’re big boys. Schmitz is an absolute killer, though I haven’t gotten a good sense of how well he moves on the perimeter. And that’s one thing we do have to keep in mind with this particular coaching staff — they appear to value mobility and technical/positional blocking over power and pure brutality in the trenches. From what I’ve seen of O’Torrence (the Florida version, not the UL version), I think he could provide all of the above. But the fear with him is that he’s already pushing the limit in terms of weight — is he going to continue to stay in shape once he’s rich? Tough to know without meeting the kid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted January 9, 2023 Author Share Posted January 9, 2023 Well scrap this QB acquisition idea! I want Howell to be in competition to be our starting QB next year which means you don’t sign a FA QB like Jimmy G or Derek Carr & give them a big contract. Instead you re-sign Heinicke or a back up level journeyman QB to compete with Howell & draft another QB in the mid to late rounds to develop behind them in the way we did Howell this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKellion Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 With this coaching staff they will sign some other teams reject like the 3 listed in this thread and we will be horrible again when it matters.3 seasons and all the same,lose to start the season and to finnish with enough wins in between to keep them from drafting a franchise QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 On 12/26/2022 at 8:34 PM, turtle28 said: CUTS/Restructures 3. Roullier agrees to a pay cut to say 4. Logan Thomas agrees to a pay cut to stay How often does something like this happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 On 12/26/2022 at 8:34 PM, turtle28 said: CUTS/Restructures 2. Restructure Kendall Fuller You might want to check if this is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted January 21, 2023 Author Share Posted January 21, 2023 On 1/9/2023 at 8:21 AM, MikeT14 said: How often does something like this happen? I can’t answer that but both of them don’t have better options. Say their base salaries were cut down & turned into bonuses they got for games played then they’d have the ability to make their full contract back in the way that Heinicke got bonuses for wins that he had. If Logan or Roullier say no and get cut, both are looking at likely vet min contracts next year because they’d had 2 injury plagued years & in Logan’s case a huge dip in production even this year bc our passing offense focused more around our 3 talented WRs rather than force feeding the TE like Alex did in 2020 when he was our 2nd of 3rd best receiving option behind Terry & McKissic. Or there’s a chance if Logan & Roullier didn’t agree to their pay cuts that they’d be employed some or all of the year. Given their age & injury history I can’t see other teams even wanting to sign them as cheaper vets when they could get someone else. Roullier has barely played in 2 years but for us, he’d clearly be the best option at center in retained while for most other teams that’s not the case. If they don’t agree there’s a strong chance they could Ereck Flowers & Landon Collins themselves next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted January 21, 2023 Author Share Posted January 21, 2023 On 1/9/2023 at 9:16 AM, MikeT14 said: You might want to check if this is possible. I have no idea why it wouldn’t be. Heck, if not a restructure, they could do an extension like 3 years for $30 million while lowering his cap hit this year to $5 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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