2023 Draft Prospects (Google Sheets) - New 2024 QB Worksheet

[Louis Friend]

For CBs, can you look up Steven Gilmore (Marshall) for me? 

[Karnage84]

19 minutes ago, Louis Friend said:

For CBs, can you look up Steven Gilmore (Marshall) for me? 

Sure, can do that

[HashtagFTW]

Is there a way you can see the zone ratings for LBs in the 21 draft in college compared to their rookie year and see if it translates? 

[Karnage84]

1 hour ago, HashtagFTW said:

Is there a way you can see the zone ratings for LBs in the 21 draft in college compared to their rookie year and see if it translates? 

Which rookies? Rodrigo or others?

[Karnage84]

OG

I've added a couple names from the Senior Bowl

- McClendon Curtis, OT/OG, UT Chattanooga < Currently listed as an OG in draft circles; experience at LT, LG, RG

- John Michael Schmitz, OC/OG, Minnesota < Good size for a guard, played exclusively at OC at Minnesota

- Jake Andrews, OC, Troy < Good size for a guard, previous experience at LG, RG. Moved to OC in 2022

[HashtagFTW]

55 minutes ago, Karnage84 said:

Which rookies? Rodrigo or others?

Any of the lbs that were drafted that had a high coverage grade in college and seeing how they did in their rookie year

[Karnage84]

9 minutes ago, HashtagFTW said:

Any of the lbs that were drafted that had a high coverage grade in college and seeing how they did in their rookie year

I might look at a couple but I'm trying to be more Lions centric right now. Mainly because I enjoy doing mock drafts and this just helps me get a better handle on who are possible fits with the Lions. 

[Karnage84]

29 minutes ago, HashtagFTW said:

Any of the lbs that were drafted that had a high coverage grade in college and seeing how they did in their rookie year

	NCAA			NFL				DIFF
PLAYER	OVR	RDEF	COV	OVR	RDEF	COV		OVR	RDEF	COV
Quay Walker	71.7	70.5	70.6	51.9	34.9	70.8		-19.8	-35.6	0.2
Devin Lloyd	90.3	82	82.9	48.3	66.8	35.2		-42.0	-15.2	-47.7
Troy Anderson	85.3	78.9	86.4	40.2	49.0	34.0		-45.1	-29.9	-52.4
Brian Asamoah	73.8	73	73.9	78.8	74.2	78.1		5.0	1.2	4.2
Chad Muma	90.3	91.1	77.7	54.9	69.4	40.3		-35.4	-21.7	-37.4
Christian Harris	62	65.4	52	28.3	29.1	29.6		-33.7	-36.3	-22.4
Nakobe Dean	91.8	81.9	90.4	78.7	69.1	75.8		-13.1	-12.8	-14.6
Terrel Bernard	74.5	78.9	60.5	64.6	75.5	53.2		-9.9	-3.4	-7.3
Channing Tindall	84.4	71.5	81.9	43.0	60.0	52.8		-41.4	-11.5	-29.1
Leo Chenal	91.5	94.1	56.7	66.0	66.9	60.5		-25.5	-27.2	3.8
Brandon Smith	59.7	47.6	80	28.3	28.6	46.3		-31.4	-19.0	-33.7
Malcolm Rodriguez	85.7	83.5	84.5	63.9	66.4	56.9		-21.8	-17.1	-27.6

[Karnage84]

1 minute ago, Karnage84 said:

	NCAA			NFL				DIFF
PLAYER	OVR	RDEF	COV	OVR	RDEF	COV		OVR	RDEF	COV
Quay Walker	71.7	70.5	70.6	51.9	34.9	70.8		-19.8	-35.6	0.2
Devin Lloyd	90.3	82	82.9	48.3	66.8	35.2		-42.0	-15.2	-47.7
Troy Anderson	85.3	78.9	86.4	40.2	49.0	34.0		-45.1	-29.9	-52.4
Brian Asamoah	73.8	73	73.9	78.8	74.2	78.1		5.0	1.2	4.2
Chad Muma	90.3	91.1	77.7	54.9	69.4	40.3		-35.4	-21.7	-37.4
Christian Harris	62	65.4	52	28.3	29.1	29.6		-33.7	-36.3	-22.4
Nakobe Dean	91.8	81.9	90.4	78.7	69.1	75.8		-13.1	-12.8	-14.6
Terrel Bernard	74.5	78.9	60.5	64.6	75.5	53.2		-9.9	-3.4	-7.3
Channing Tindall	84.4	71.5	81.9	43.0	60.0	52.8		-41.4	-11.5	-29.1
Leo Chenal	91.5	94.1	56.7	66.0	66.9	60.5		-25.5	-27.2	3.8
Brandon Smith	59.7	47.6	80	28.3	28.6	46.3		-31.4	-19.0	-33.7
Malcolm Rodriguez	85.7	83.5	84.5	63.9	66.4	56.9		-21.8	-17.1	-27.6

We didn't see much of a difference in coverage in Walker, Asamoah, Bernard and Chenal. 

Biggest drop offs: Lloyd, Anderson, Muma and Smith. 

Walker has the biggest drop off in run defense and he already was average in that coming into the league. 

[Sllim Pickens]

17 minutes ago, Karnage84 said:

We didn't see much of a difference in coverage in Walker, Asamoah, Bernard and Chenal. 

Biggest drop offs: Lloyd, Anderson, Muma and Smith. 

Walker has the biggest drop off in run defense and he already was average in that coming into the league. 

This is likely where scheme fit is important as well as snaps.  Nakobe Dean didn't play much this year for example so his score could fluctuate a lot when he does get more snaps. And I would assume they are asking Devin Lloyd to do different things in coverage than he did in college.

Also this shows why the interviews are so important.  A lot of the guys in the pros do well when they are smart and motivated given they are going to a different system and situation and need to learn quickly. 

[Karnage84]

1 minute ago, Sllim Pickens said:

This is likely where scheme fit is important as well as snaps.  Nakobe Dean didn't play much this year for example so his score could fluctuate a lot when he does get more snaps. And I would assume they are asking Devin Lloyd to do different things in coverage than he did in college.

Also this shows why the interviews are so important.  A lot of the guys in the pros do well when they are smart and motivated given they are going to a different system and situation and need to learn quickly. 

Yeah - some of these guys didn't even show up until I filtered with "ignore min. snap counts". It also doesn't factor in guys dealing with injuries, poor scheme fits, coaching changes, etc. 

Rodrigo's scores are for the year not the last several weeks, which we all agree is different than the first 7 weeks. 

It's just interesting to see the differences. 

[HashtagFTW]

1 hour ago, Karnage84 said:

	NCAA			NFL				DIFF
PLAYER	OVR	RDEF	COV	OVR	RDEF	COV		OVR	RDEF	COV
Quay Walker	71.7	70.5	70.6	51.9	34.9	70.8		-19.8	-35.6	0.2
Devin Lloyd	90.3	82	82.9	48.3	66.8	35.2		-42.0	-15.2	-47.7
Troy Anderson	85.3	78.9	86.4	40.2	49.0	34.0		-45.1	-29.9	-52.4
Brian Asamoah	73.8	73	73.9	78.8	74.2	78.1		5.0	1.2	4.2
Chad Muma	90.3	91.1	77.7	54.9	69.4	40.3		-35.4	-21.7	-37.4
Christian Harris	62	65.4	52	28.3	29.1	29.6		-33.7	-36.3	-22.4
Nakobe Dean	91.8	81.9	90.4	78.7	69.1	75.8		-13.1	-12.8	-14.6
Terrel Bernard	74.5	78.9	60.5	64.6	75.5	53.2		-9.9	-3.4	-7.3
Channing Tindall	84.4	71.5	81.9	43.0	60.0	52.8		-41.4	-11.5	-29.1
Leo Chenal	91.5	94.1	56.7	66.0	66.9	60.5		-25.5	-27.2	3.8
Brandon Smith	59.7	47.6	80	28.3	28.6	46.3		-31.4	-19.0	-33.7
Malcolm Rodriguez	85.7	83.5	84.5	63.9	66.4	56.9		-21.8	-17.1	-27.6

Not necessarily what I was looking for but thanks for the time 😅

[Karnage84]

1 minute ago, HashtagFTW said:

Not necessarily what I was looking for but thanks for the time 😅

So what is it that you were looking for?

[HashtagFTW]

Just now, Karnage84 said:

So what is it that you were looking for?

Specifically regarding zone coverage. Like their zone coverage scores in college compared to how they did in zone their rookie year. 
 

Like, I want to see if drafting the best zone coverage LBs would make them the best zone coverage NFL players. 

[HashtagFTW]

Out of all the LBs, Sewell's grade confuses me the most. He's a straight old school thumper. To see he's better in coverage and questionable against the run is confusing.