StatKing Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said: False. His 2022 season was better than his 2021 season. Slightly better passing, much better rushing. But a closer look reveals his production is tied to his supporting cast. 2019: Great O-line, RBs, TEs = MVP 2020: O-line attrition, TE attrition = very good, winning season (11-4). 2021: Terrible O-line, RB corps devastated = worst season, but still in 1st place when Lamar is injured 2022: O-line bounces back by mid-way through season, RBs come back sporadically but not fully recovered, terrible WR corps with injury = still 1st place when Lamar is injured, but not as productive as 2019. That 2019 Ravens team had a record number of Pro Bowlers. 13 if I'm not mistaken. I think it's safe to say at this point his MVP season was an outlier because he's never getting that level of support again. Edited March 27, 2023 by StatKing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, wackywabbit said: Interesting... Is it a bad sign that I see more "Joe Flacco is a free agent, so we don't need him"? As an avid twitter user, I can't tell you how factual it is that like every reply to anything Lamar/Ravens on there is crushing the Ravens for some reason. These people are actually brain dead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, StatKing said: That 2019 Ravens team had a record number of Pro Bowlers. 13 if I'm not mistaken. I think it's safe to say at this point his MVP season was an outlier. And most of those Pro Bowlers are still on the team or were a product of Lamar's offense. For goodness sakes, Mark Ingram was a Pro Bowler that year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 26 minutes ago, NYRaider said: I believe that if the Ravens ultimately decide to move on it will be via trade and that they'll receive more than 2 FRPs. I also believe that Lamar is going to get a mega deal either from the Ravens or whatever team acquires him. I’m a team that can sign Lamar to an offer sheet to a mega deal + give Baltimore 2 FRPs, I can do that today (which is what the Ravens allow to happen, they chose the non-exclusive tag) But instead I will give the Ravens more than 2 FRPs and still give Lamar that same mega deal, for reasons Good luck dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, Soko said: I’m a team that can sign Lamar to an offer sheet to a mega deal + give Baltimore 2 FRPs, I can do that today (which is what the Ravens allow to happen, they chose the non-exclusive tag) But instead I will give the Ravens more than 2 FRPs and still give Lamar that same mega deal, for reasons Good luck dude I think you can be a little more creative with cap space (like Ravens will eat X amount of cap space) + pieces being moved if you just do a sign + trade vs. an offer sheet, but don't quote me on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackywabbit Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, StatKing said: That 2019 Ravens team had a record number of Pro Bowlers. 13 if I'm not mistaken. I think it's safe to say at this point his MVP season was an outlier because he's never getting that level of support again. 1. Go here: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/2019-snap-counts.htm 2. Sort by number of offensive snaps 3. Be embarrassed with your take Edited March 27, 2023 by wackywabbit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Reed Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, wackywabbit said: Interesting... Is it a bad sign that I see more "Joe Flacco is a free agent, so we don't need him"? That’s a sign that you’re following accounts from the twilight zone, methinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, NYRaider said: He started last year on a terror but really tapered off as the year went on. Over the first three games he had 750 passing yards (250 ypg), 243 rushing yards (81 ypg), and 12 total TD (10 passing/2 rushing) over the last 9 games he had 1,493 passing yards (166 ypg), 521 rushing yards (58 ypg), and 8 total TD (7 passing/1 rushing). 3 of the past 4 full games that Lamar started in 2022 the team scored 27 points and was very good offensively (vs. Bucs, Jags, Saints). Those are 3 of the top 5 Ravens games by offensive EPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 10 minutes ago, StatKing said: That 2019 Ravens team had a record number of Pro Bowlers. 13 if I'm not mistaken. I think it's safe to say at this point his MVP season was an outlier because he's never getting that level of support again. It could happen, and if it does I wouldn't be surprised if he wins another MVP. He just needs a great O-line and a solid stable of TEs and RBs. That's not too hard to put together, given you don't have to invest much in the WR position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Soko said: I’m a team that can sign Lamar to an offer sheet to a mega deal + give Baltimore 2 FRPs, I can do that today (which is what the Ravens allow to happen, they chose the non-exclusive tag) But instead I will give the Ravens more than 2 FRPs and still give Lamar that same mega deal, for reasons Good luck dude Option A: You have a month to negotiate the largest deal in NFL history and then have to trade away 2 FRPs if you can get it done. Option B: You negotiate with the Ravens which gives you more control of the assets you send back for Lamar (could be a player, different picks, etc.) you give yourself a much longer run way to figure it out. And in the worst case scenario you have Lamar under team control for the next three seasons at $32.4M, $38.8M, and $55.9M with the ability to move on with zero dead money after any season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackywabbit Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, Ray Reed said: That’s a sign that you’re following accounts from the twilight zone, methinks Only people I know IRL, so maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said: It could happen, and if it does I wouldn't be surprised if he wins another MVP. He just needs a great O-line and a solid stable of TEs and RBs. That's not too hard to put together, given you don't have to invest much in the WR position. And an elite defense that won't ask him to pass the ball a ton because they're playing from behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatKing Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 11 minutes ago, wackywabbit said: 1. Go here: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/2019-snap-counts.htm 2. Sort by number of offensive snaps 3. Be embarrassed with your take I'm sure he's going to get more support once he gets paid 50 mil a year. Still doesn't change the fact he hasn't been close to the same player since that one season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackywabbit Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, StatKing said: I'm sure he's going to get more support once he gets paid 50 mil a year. Still doesn't change the fact he hasn't been close to the same player since that one season. Not going to acknowledge that you overrated the 2019 supporting cast? I want to hear your Seth Roberts is underrated take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatKing Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 12 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said: It could happen, and if it does I wouldn't be surprised if he wins another MVP. He just needs a great O-line and a solid stable of TEs and RBs. That's not too hard to put together, given you don't have to invest much in the WR position. The scratch off I bought an hour ago could be worth 50k. What's more likely? Hitting that 50k or me just being a degenerate gambler? If he needs 2/3rds of the offense around him to be above average then maybe he isn't as good as you think he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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