Mesa_Titan Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 Just now, Eagles27 said: Also this game is on Scott BTW. He has been awful this year. No confidence in the FO holding him responsible, but I don't think his performance has gotten enough attention. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Scott has done a good job this year, and has had a bunch of minor headscratchers every other year, but I'm not seeing what he did this game. PH'ing Cal was 100% the right move, Cal just choked it and went down on three pitches. Same with Ford. 7 minutes ago, Eagles27 said: I get the frustration, but we've been much worse off before. There is a clear path to this roster becoming good and the key pieces are young. Definitely agree that we need to make the right moves and stop being cheap ****s. Prospects haven't had the effect on the big league roster we'd like (bats at least), but at the very least it adds to our lists of assets. Believe me, I get it, but we've said this before in other heavy copium stages. I really have no reason to not expect the worse. We have no track record of being able to sustain any kind of success from positional players, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if Julio took another dip next year, and the prospects we do have (the ones that hit the ball anyways) are big time longshots or are 3 years away from seeing any playing time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles27 Posted July 9, 2023 Author Share Posted July 9, 2023 11 minutes ago, Mesa_Titan said: Don't get me wrong, I don't think Scott has done a good job this year, and has had a bunch of minor headscratchers every other year, but I'm not seeing what he did this game. PH'ing Cal was 100% the right move, Cal just choked it and went down on three pitches. Same with Ford. Believe me, I get it, but we've said this before in other heavy copium stages. I really have no reason to not expect the worse. We have no track record of being able to sustain any kind of success from positional players, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if Julio took another dip next year, and the prospects we do have (the ones that hit the ball anyways) are big time longshots or are 3 years away from seeing any playing time. Feel like Scott didn't do us any favors by playing Moore and Pollock at the same time. I get the matchup aspect, but they have been awful. These 2 shouldn't even be on the roster. Don't agree PH Cal was the right move at all either. Murphy has been one of our better hitters and more consistent than Cal. I don't see us as in another copium stage. At least here I feel we're fairly honest about how the team is performing. Very good chance this ownership will be cheap and we will be mediocre for the next 5 years. However it's not as dire a situation as we were in during the JackZ days. The roster construction was awful and we had money locked into albatross deals. We have the ability to be good, just not certain if they will make the necessary moves. Again, I agree on the prospects for the most part. Not excited about them necessarily helping this team take the next step. More so hoping we build the farm up and can make a move for more established MLB bats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesa_Titan Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Eagles27 said: Feel like Scott didn't do us any favors by playing Moore and Pollock at the same time. I get the matchup aspect, but they have been awful. These 2 shouldn't even be on the roster. Don't agree PH Cal was the right move at all either. Murphy has been one of our better hitters and more consistent than Cal. I don't see us as in another copium stage. At least here I feel we're fairly honest about how the team is performing. Very good chance this ownership will be cheap and we will be mediocre for the next 5 years. However it's not as dire a situation as we were in during the JackZ days. The roster construction was awful and we had money locked into albatross deals. We have the ability to be good, just not certain if they will make the necessary moves. Again, I agree on the prospects for the most part. Not excited about them necessarily helping this team take the next step. More so hoping we build the farm up and can make a move for more established MLB bats. I mean yeah, if we're going off of 100 PA's, Tom has been solid. He's also been pretty bad against righties his entire career, and Cal has come up with big hit after big hit for us since he's been here, so Idk. I would agree that it's not as dire as it was then, but it doesn't take much to have basically what would be a wasted window of insanely good pitching. If Julio continues what he's doing now, and Kelenic doesn't grow into that next step, all of the sudden we are royally screwed. Meanwhile, guys like Jake Fraley are slashing .275/.365/.468 and seem to have figured everything out as soon as they got on the plane to leave Seattle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles27 Posted July 9, 2023 Author Share Posted July 9, 2023 15 minutes ago, Mesa_Titan said: Meanwhile, guys like Jake Fraley are slashing .275/.365/.468 and seem to have figured everything out as soon as they got on the plane to leave Seattle. For sure. This is a major concern. Development at the MLB level has not been good. Even a guy like Kelenic comes into spring, looks good, and starts the year hot. The longer he's with our staff the worse he performs... Just to touch on the draft one more time before it happens; I know this is likely due to us having 3 top 30 picks, but this is the first time I can remember there being so many guys I would be happy with tomorrow. Out of the guys who have a reasonable chance to be available... College Bats: SS Matt Shaw SS Tommy Troy 3B Braden Taylor OF Chase Davis OF Enrique BradfieldPrep Bats: C Blake Mitchell 3B Aidan Miller SS Colin Houck SS Colt Emerson SS George Lombard Jr. SS Kevin McGonigle SS Walker Martin OF Jonny Farmelo Prep Arms: RHP Noble Meyer LHP Thomas White LHP Alex Clemmey RHP Josh Knoth RHP Charlee Soto Not a huge fan of taking some of the college bats with some swing and miss concerns given our development record (Morales/Wilken) and don't have any interest in any of the college arms after the top 4 in round 1. I guess I can never put it past the M's, but seems unlikely we should be too disappointed. All 3 top picks should be in our top 10 prospects pretty much out of the gate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesa_Titan Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 17 minutes ago, Eagles27 said: For sure. This is a major concern. Development at the MLB level has not been good. Even a guy like Kelenic comes into spring, looks good, and starts the year hot. The longer he's with our staff the worse he performs... Just to touch on the draft one more time before it happens; I know this is likely due to us having 3 top 30 picks, but this is the first time I can remember there being so many guys I would be happy with tomorrow. Out of the guys who have a reasonable chance to be available... College Bats: SS Matt Shaw SS Tommy Troy 3B Braden Taylor OF Chase Davis OF Enrique BradfieldPrep Bats: C Blake Mitchell 3B Aidan Miller SS Colin Houck SS Colt Emerson SS George Lombard Jr. SS Kevin McGonigle SS Walker Martin OF Jonny Farmelo Prep Arms: RHP Noble Meyer LHP Thomas White LHP Alex Clemmey RHP Josh Knoth RHP Charlee Soto Not a huge fan of taking some of the college bats with some swing and miss concerns given our development record (Morales/Wilken) and don't have any interest in any of the college arms after the top 4 in round 1. I guess I can never put it past the M's, but seems unlikely we should be too disappointed. All 3 top picks should be in our top 10 prospects pretty much out of the gate. Ive seen Wilken mocked to us a lot, but it seems very wide open with where we could go. Should be fun tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizmo78 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 I'll be honest, I dont know anything about baseball prospects. That said, I'm glad we got Emerson, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles27 Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, grizmo78 said: I'll be honest, I dont know anything about baseball prospects. That said, I'm glad we got Emerson, Like the pick a lot. Probably moves off SS, but the bat will be his carrying tool. Has the frame to grow into power too. Fits the organization mold of drafting younger players as he is still 17. Should also sign for around slot, so we can go BPA available at 29/30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesa_Titan Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Me and Emerson have the same birthday, so I'm a fan. Lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizmo78 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 From what i'm able to read online, I'm leaning Aiden Miller, Soto, or Waldrep if we think we can fix his command (I doubt it tho. We tend to go for command and help them unlock power, not the other way around) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles27 Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 Like Houck or Farmelo next. Bats are going quick, so BPA at one of these 2 may be an arm. Though I prefer the bats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizmo78 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, Eagles27 said: Like Houck or Farmelo next. Bats are going quick, so BPA at one of these 2 may be an arm. Though I prefer the bats. Ok, you got Farmelo, now gimme Soto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles27 Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 Farmelo and Peete are massive upside plays. Will see how they can develop them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizmo78 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 So are we expecting Emerson for slot and Farmelo and Peete for under slot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles27 Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 minute ago, grizmo78 said: So are we expecting Emerson for slot and Farmelo and Peete for under slot? Farmelo might be over. Peete at slot or maybe slightly under. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles27 Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 Like Whitman or Watts-Brown if we go college arm. Would prefer a projectable prep though. M's have done a good job of finding effective college arms in the mid-rounds. Wouldn't be opposed to another prep bat either. Don't love the college bats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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